I am basing my concerns on my own experience editing Wikidata as well as
two separate workshops where Wikimedia NYC Wikipedia editors were taught
and edited Wikidata and discussed end-user challenges both times.
I disagree that Wikidata is easier to edit than Wiki Markup or Visual
Editor. The null responses when trying to save, those alone, if you are not
using the controlled expected vocabularies presents huge barriers to
editing. Frankly, manual editing takes forever. Sorry totally disagree.
Deep links is well and good but how about user documentation and making it
a seamless experience for Wikipedia editors -- not just for Wikidata
editors? I think you are missing the point of my concerns here. And to make
such a significant change and implement it with no regard for Wikipedia
editors, the whole thing seems very non-ideal and problematic. And biased
towards Wikidata.
There seems to be a lack of focus on the casual Wikipedia editor and their
needs. The focus is on Wikidata, which is fine if you are doing Wikidata
editing or running queries, I guess. But for this to be interoperable
between Wikipedia and Wikidata, the usability for an end-user is an issue.
And more importantly a barrier.
Speaking of: Where's the user documentation for Authority Control? Have you
tried to update and/or add Authority Control on Wikidata manually? It is
clunky and difficult and you need to know Wikidata to do it. I keep
whinging and moaning enough about it maybe I'll try to do a rapid grant to
fund a project so I can carve out time to create something finally.
For the Infobox template it's even more elements, and it's unclear to me
how an Infobox populates on Wikidata.
And are all Infobox templates on Wikipedia considered here? Are all
elements going to translate, exhaustively?
I had the same concern with the RefToolbar Cite templates, which was part
of the bibliographic metadata focus at WikiCite 2016 recently. What is the
point of Wikipedia editors using these great templates in Wikipedia when
there is no effort by Wikidata to create pathways and integrate existing
Wikipedia templates into the semantics of Wikidata? I find this maddening.
And a big problem.
- Erika
*Erika Herzog*
Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle>*
On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Brill Lyle, 03/08/2016 13:30:
Huge barrier for Wikipedia end-users.
What makes you think so? Did you interview or observe users editing? In my
experience, Wikidata is much easier for newbies to grasp than wikitext or
even VisualEditor: like VisualEditor's template editor, Wikidata resembles
a standard form, which people are used to.
We only need to make sure there are direct deep links from each piece of
displayed (or missing) information to the statement on Wikidata where they
are (or should be); and later add dialogs for direct editing from the
client wikis, as was done long ago with the interlanguage links.
Nemo
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