Thanks for the explanations. I'd forgotten that
Wikipedia articles can
link to random images that are only peripherally related to the subject of
the article.
The pointers to the tools are appreciated, since I think tooling is key to
getting widespread participation in tasks like this, but I'd suggest that
the tooling isn't quite "there" yet. The first tool, suggested by Lydia
&
Gerard, gave me a page of text in Swedish about someone I've never heard of
and wanted me to say whether the photo was correct or not. Sorry, not
playing that game (I don't read Swedish).
The map is a good idea, but the current implementation isn't zoomable and
the resolution is so coarse that it's basically a wild guess to get within
100km or so of a location. Why not have the default be "near me, sorted by
distance from me" like the Special:Nearby page? And, as an aside, why does
it use WDQ instead of the official query API?
The list of monuments didn't have anything for my country or the closest
neighboring country, so decided to take a look at the really cool photo of
the Swallow's Nest
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BA_%22%D0%9B%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE_%D0%B3%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B4%D0%BE%22,_%D0%AF%D0%BB%D1%82%D0%B0,_%D0%90%D0%A0_%D0%9A%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%BC.jpg>
on the Crimean Peninsula. Turns out that the only article that links to it
is the Ukranian article about the Crimean Peninsula and it isn't linked
from the main Ukranian
<https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D1%96%D0%B2%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B5_%D0%B3%D0%BD%D1%96%D0%B7%D0%B4%D0%BE>
(or any other) article about it, so there's no easy path to the correct Wikidata
item <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1353643>. That's just waaayyy too
much work to expect someone to do.
It wouldn't take much work on the tooling to significantly increase the
rate of contribution for tasks like this.
Tom
On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 3:35 AM, Andrew Gray <andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk>
wrote:
The FIST tool is great for this:
https://tools.wmflabs.org/fist/wdfist/
Can be fed with a WDQ query or a Wikipedia category; generates a list
of all items which don't have a P18 but do have plausible candidate
images, and lets you one-click add images (so everything is human
confirmed).
A seasonal example (takes a few seconds to load):
https://tools.wmflabs.org/fist/wdfist/?category=Christmas&depth=3&l…
If you want to do it geographically, I knocked up a world map
interface to the tool:
http://www.generalist.org.uk/wikidata/
There are now 1,071,000 Wikidata items with main images (broke a
million about a month ago). 431,000 of these are people, which means
about one in seven of our Wikidata biographies have a main portrait
image.
Andrew.
On 22 December 2015 at 21:17, Maxime Lathuilière <groups(a)maxlath.eu>
wrote:
What about making an automatic list of Wikipedia
articles with a image
in
Commons without an image in Wikidata, and then
maybe turn the list into
a
Wikidata Game if a human confirmation is
required?
Maxime
Le 22/12/2015 22:01, Gerard Meijssen a écrit :
Hoi,
Yes, the English Wikipedia allows for "fair use". Image with fair use
are
not permissible in Wikidata. There is no such
thing as automatically it
takes people to start a process and think it true.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 22 December 2015 at 20:52, Tom Morris <tfmorris(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Is there a reason that Wikidata can't just use the same images that
> Wikipedia does?
>
> For example, this article:
>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Frost_House has a nice public
domain
> photo that someone contributed back in 2010,
but it's not referenced
from
> Wikidata
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7964895
>
> Why couldn't these all be referenced automatically?
>
> Tom
>
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I cordially invite you to donate some time and add an image from
>> Wikimedia Commons to Wikidata this year. For inspiration you may
choose
one
>> of the recent Wiki Loves Monuments prize
winning photos from your
local
>> competition being added to the Wikidata
item about that monument, one
of
>> your favorite paintings from your local
museum being added to the
Wikidata
>> item about that painting, an image of
christmas cookies that you made
that
>> you could add to an item about that type
of cookie, or anything else
that
>> has an item but no image yet.
>>
>> To help you overcome the difficulties with editing on Wikidata, here
is a
>> short film by User:Jan_Ainali_(WMSE) on
how to add an image to an
item:
>>
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Add_image_to_Wikidata.webm
>>
>> Thanks, good luck and let's hope we see some structured data for
Commons
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