--- El vie, 14/11/08, Erik Zachte erikzachte@infodisiac.com escribió:
De: Erik Zachte erikzachte@infodisiac.com Asunto: RE: [Wiki-research-l] "Regular contributor" Para: "'Research into Wikimedia content and communities'" wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org, glimmer_phoenix@yahoo.es Fecha: viernes, 14 noviembre, 2008 2:40
Many bots that are active on many wikis are not registered as such on smaller wikis.
Therefore I treat any user name that is registered as bot on 10+ wikis as bot on all wikis.
Seems very reasonable :).
It is of course again an correction which is not 100% accurate, but close I might hope.
Paraphrasing one of my research colleagues: it's better something than nothing at all :).
Single User Logon can help in this respect some day.
Wow, man. That would let my model jump to the speedlight. If only I were capable of tracing users among different languages...
In theory we could spot some bots by their behavior, say a user that edits 24 hours per day, of manages 5 updates per second for a long time, or added thousands of articles in a short period.
But I’m not sure it would be worth the effort, and it would low priority in any case.
I also have my doubts about the filtering conditions. For instance, in eswiki, 'BOTpolicia' is not registered as such and it's responsible for more than 90.000 edits, so far. On the other hand, a famous user in eswiki (retired for this moment, id=13770 to be precise) is responsible for 100.000 edits, and was erroneously identified as a bot many times :). We have similar cases in other languages.
Filtering by number of edits/hour or similar may require a lot of time/resources, specially in larger Wikipedias, (sorry, but for my thesis I'm mainly focused on the top-ten Wikipedias :) ).
Honestly, I don't have a good answer for this right now.
Best.
F.
Erik
From: wiki-research-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wiki-research-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Ziko van Dijk Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 23:37 To: glimmer_phoenix@yahoo.es; Research into Wikimedia content and communities Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] "Regular contributor"
Hello Felipe,
Maybe we speak about different things now. At http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/BotActivityMatrix.htm
de http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaDE.htm
ja http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaJA.htm
fr http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaFR.htm
it http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaIT.htm
pl http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaPL.htm
es http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaES.htm
nl http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaNL.htm
pt http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaPT.htm
ru http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaRU.htm
zh http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaZH.htm
sv http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaSV.htm
fi http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaFI.htm
8%
6%
22%
25%
26%
15%
29%
30%
26%
15%
23%
22%
The bot share of all edits is not that insignificant.
Ziko
2008/11/13 Felipe Ortega glimmer_phoenix@yahoo.es
Hi, Erik, and all.
IMHO, it would be a good idea...but not definitely an urgent one. In our analyses on the top-ten Wikipedias, we found that bots contributions introduced very few noise in data (to be precise statistically, it was not significant at all).
You also have the additional problem that some bots are not identified in the users_group table.
My "practical impression" is that when you deal with overall figures, then bots are irrelevant. However, if you want to focus in special metrics like concentration indexes then their contribution DOES MATTER, since a very active bot in one month may ruin your measurments.
Regards,
Felipe.
--- El mié, 22/10/08, Erik Zachte erikzachte@infodisiac.com escribió:
De: Erik Zachte erikzachte@infodisiac.com Asunto: [Wiki-research-l] "Regular
contributor"
Para: wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org Fecha: miércoles, 22 octubre, 2008 9:55
Statistics, with "Wikipedians",
"active" and "very active users";
like often, Zachte's Statistics are great,
but
easily misleading.
Also keep in mind that most figures in wikistats still include bot edits.
IMO it becomes more and more urgent to present
separate
counts for humans and bots.
For instance in eo: 54% of total edits for all time
were
bot edits, but most
of these will be from recent years, so the percentage
will
be even higher
for recent years.
http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/BotActivityMatrix.htm
Erik Zachte
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