Olá povo.
Lembram-se da ideia de fazer um concurso de fotografias para o nosso aniversário de 10 anos? Que tal fazer isso a nível Europeu - mas somente em Setembro.
A idéia é da Wikimedia Netherlands - Effeietsanders (aka Lodewijk ) contactou-me no IRC para falar sobre o projecto, e hoje mandou o mail anexo a Lista Interna da Wikimedia.
Para participarmos precisamos primeiramente de:
Fazer o levantamento de todos os monumentos que podem entrar na competição (Usar a base do IGESPAR pode ajudar) mas temos que fazer a lista usando esse sistema: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/template_syst.... Já temos uma lista base: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_patrim%C3%B3nio_edificado_em_Portugalhttp://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_patrim%C3%B3nio_edificado_em_Portugalmas ela precisa ser convertida para o sistema e actualizada.
O resto do "how-to-do" está aqui: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/post_mortem
Como esse é um projecto qeu vai dar um certo trabalho para organizar, convinha comecar a fazê-lo já em Janeiro após o aniversário.
Algum interessado? _____ Béria Lima (Beh) (351) 925 171 484
2010/12/14 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
*Summary of this email *(sorry for long text): We did Wiki Loves Monuments (WLM) 2010 in the Netherlands, we would like to do Wiki Loves Monuments again in 2011, but now in Europe. This is only possible when many chapters participate, therefore this e-mail. To be clear: this event will only happen on a European level if there is sufficient chapter participation to combine efforts. *Please feel free to forward* to whomever you find appropriate.
You might have heard before about Wiki Loves Monuments 2010 in the Netherlands. It was a highly successful photo scavenger hunt with 12.500 submissions and over 250 participants[0]. We recently completed a post mortem of this event with a more extensive description and analysis [1]. However, there are still many monuments in the Netherlands which can be photographed, so we are considering another run for next year - but then in a European context. Below we will explain a bit how we got where we are, what we have in mind, and what you could expect.
So how did this all start? At the Dutch Wikipedia we have the windmill project. One of the main goals was to get an article with an image for every windmill in the Netherlands. Lists were created of windmills per province and statistics were made on a regular basis to track progress. This approach worked very well and made it possible to tackle a big problem; All the windmills have an article now.
Some volunteers, in cooperation with the chapter, managed to get a dataset of all "Rijksmonumenten" (Dutch national monuments - 60.000 buildings/objects with some historical or cultural relevance) from the "Rijksdienst voor het Cultureel Erfgoed" (Dutch national heritage organisation, RCE). This marked the birth of the "Rijksmonumenten" project. The project uses the lessons learned in the windmill project. The data from the RCE was converted into lists by location and put on the Dutch Wikipedia. The community started improving the lists by adding missing information or adding photo's.
In June 2009 Wikimedia Nederland ran Wiki Loves Art /NL [2] : A photo scavenger hunt in more than 40 museums. Also quite successful (5.400 photos), but much more work intensive because you need to keep contacts with all the museums and usually museums are further away from people's homes than the nearest monuments.
For 2010 we were looking for a nice topic for a photo competition. The "Rijksmonumenten" project was running very well so we decided to organize Wiki Loves Monuments to give this Wikipedia project a boost.
So, what would a European WLM most likely look like? Let me give you an idea of what we are thinking of, changes are open for debate of course. Trying to incorporate the main lessons from last year in the Netherlands into a European model, we think it might work best if Wiki Loves Monuments is organized on a national level primarily, but with cooperations, shared resources and international prizes on a European level. The national contests do not have to be identical, but some consistency would be practical. We are not sure yet what countries would be most successful, but our initial hope would be EU chapter countries and Switzerland.
Basically, Wiki Loves Monuments would run 1-30 September 2011, and participants would be allowed to submit photos of monuments which are part of the object list. This object list includes the address and ideally geo-coordinates of all monuments which are allowed to participate. In each participating country there would be some prizes available, to be awarded by a jury for that country. The top-X of each could be competing for European prizes.
You can find more information on how WLM 2010 was organized on the post-mortem [1]. That also lines out in more detail how much work it would be, and what the positive impact could be.
Most of the local work would be to get a database with the objects, create object lists from that (possibly Dutch volunteers could support you with that, they have the experience [3]) and get the community involved on that. You would need to get communications going, both external to the press (press releases etc) as to participants (have a clear website in your language(s) with explanation, rules etc), find a jury and prizes for them to award. We can help each other with example press releases, best practices, template and list examples and community motivation.
So, what to do when you like this idea? Well, it would be good to first of all check with your collegues (at the board, other members, community) what they think of it. You probably need several people to run such a competition over time to some extent. Next step would be to do some analysis on your local situation: who would be good partners (who keeps the lists of monuments?) for you, how many monuments are there in your country, are they well spread? What information/photos are already available of it roughly? Are there community members involved in that kind of topic? Definitely read the post-mortem and some relevant links from there [1].
For the time being, we registered www.wikilovesmonuments.eu and are in touch with CARARE and Europeana (European cultural heritage organizations)
- who seem to be interested in laying contacts with local cultural heritage
organizations. Hopefully that helps them to realize the European context and impact this could have. The most important partner in each country would be the one that governs the database with all monuments, and could release that to you. This database/list is crucial for the success of such an event.
Please inform us (ideally through internal-l) when you would be interested in joining in such European event, if there is enough enthusiasm, we will create a special (easy to join) mailing list to coordinate efforts to allow more volunteers to join in the discussions. We already took the liberty of discussing this with some other chapters, and are hopeful that it will actually get to a first grand chapter cooperation program. Of course this does not mean you are bound, but that you think you would like to participate. You can also join #wikilovesmonumentshttp://piratepad.net/ep/search?query=wikilovesmonumentson freenode irc of course if you like.
With kind regards,
Maarten Dammers (user:Multichill) Lodewijk Gelauff (user:Effeietsanders)
[3]:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/template_syst...
Internal-l mailing list Internal-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-l
Gosto da ideia, e porque não apresentar os resultados na comemoração dos 10 anos da lusófona, no porto?
André
No dia 14 de Dezembro de 2010 21:34, Béria Lima beria.lima@wikimedia.ptescreveu:
Olá povo.
Lembram-se da ideia de fazer um concurso de fotografias para o nosso aniversário de 10 anos? Que tal fazer isso a nível Europeu - mas somente em Setembro.
A idéia é da Wikimedia Netherlands - Effeietsanders (aka Lodewijk ) contactou-me no IRC para falar sobre o projecto, e hoje mandou o mail anexo a Lista Interna da Wikimedia.
Para participarmos precisamos primeiramente de:
Fazer o levantamento de todos os monumentos que podem entrar na competição (Usar a base do IGESPAR pode ajudar) mas temos que fazer a lista usando esse sistema: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/template_syst.... Já temos uma lista base: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_patrim%C3%B3nio_edificado_em_Portugalhttp://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_patrim%C3%B3nio_edificado_em_Portugalmas ela precisa ser convertida para o sistema e actualizada.
O resto do "how-to-do" está aqui: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/post_mortem
Como esse é um projecto qeu vai dar um certo trabalho para organizar, convinha comecar a fazê-lo já em Janeiro após o aniversário.
Algum interessado? _____ Béria Lima (Beh) (351) 925 171 484
2010/12/14 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
*Summary of this email *(sorry for long text): We did Wiki Loves Monuments (WLM) 2010 in the Netherlands, we would like to do Wiki Loves Monuments again in 2011, but now in Europe. This is only possible when many chapters participate, therefore this e-mail. To be clear: this event will only happen on a European level if there is sufficient chapter participation to combine efforts. *Please feel free to forward* to whomever you find appropriate.
You might have heard before about Wiki Loves Monuments 2010 in the Netherlands. It was a highly successful photo scavenger hunt with 12.500 submissions and over 250 participants[0]. We recently completed a post mortem of this event with a more extensive description and analysis [1]. However, there are still many monuments in the Netherlands which can be photographed, so we are considering another run for next year - but then in a European context. Below we will explain a bit how we got where we are, what we have in mind, and what you could expect.
So how did this all start? At the Dutch Wikipedia we have the windmill project. One of the main goals was to get an article with an image for every windmill in the Netherlands. Lists were created of windmills per province and statistics were made on a regular basis to track progress. This approach worked very well and made it possible to tackle a big problem; All the windmills have an article now.
Some volunteers, in cooperation with the chapter, managed to get a dataset of all "Rijksmonumenten" (Dutch national monuments - 60.000 buildings/objects with some historical or cultural relevance) from the "Rijksdienst voor het Cultureel Erfgoed" (Dutch national heritage organisation, RCE). This marked the birth of the "Rijksmonumenten" project. The project uses the lessons learned in the windmill project. The data from the RCE was converted into lists by location and put on the Dutch Wikipedia. The community started improving the lists by adding missing information or adding photo's.
In June 2009 Wikimedia Nederland ran Wiki Loves Art /NL [2] : A photo scavenger hunt in more than 40 museums. Also quite successful (5.400 photos), but much more work intensive because you need to keep contacts with all the museums and usually museums are further away from people's homes than the nearest monuments.
For 2010 we were looking for a nice topic for a photo competition. The "Rijksmonumenten" project was running very well so we decided to organize Wiki Loves Monuments to give this Wikipedia project a boost.
So, what would a European WLM most likely look like? Let me give you an idea of what we are thinking of, changes are open for debate of course. Trying to incorporate the main lessons from last year in the Netherlands into a European model, we think it might work best if Wiki Loves Monuments is organized on a national level primarily, but with cooperations, shared resources and international prizes on a European level. The national contests do not have to be identical, but some consistency would be practical. We are not sure yet what countries would be most successful, but our initial hope would be EU chapter countries and Switzerland.
Basically, Wiki Loves Monuments would run 1-30 September 2011, and participants would be allowed to submit photos of monuments which are part of the object list. This object list includes the address and ideally geo-coordinates of all monuments which are allowed to participate. In each participating country there would be some prizes available, to be awarded by a jury for that country. The top-X of each could be competing for European prizes.
You can find more information on how WLM 2010 was organized on the post-mortem [1]. That also lines out in more detail how much work it would be, and what the positive impact could be.
Most of the local work would be to get a database with the objects, create object lists from that (possibly Dutch volunteers could support you with that, they have the experience [3]) and get the community involved on that. You would need to get communications going, both external to the press (press releases etc) as to participants (have a clear website in your language(s) with explanation, rules etc), find a jury and prizes for them to award. We can help each other with example press releases, best practices, template and list examples and community motivation.
So, what to do when you like this idea? Well, it would be good to first of all check with your collegues (at the board, other members, community) what they think of it. You probably need several people to run such a competition over time to some extent. Next step would be to do some analysis on your local situation: who would be good partners (who keeps the lists of monuments?) for you, how many monuments are there in your country, are they well spread? What information/photos are already available of it roughly? Are there community members involved in that kind of topic? Definitely read the post-mortem and some relevant links from there [1].
For the time being, we registered www.wikilovesmonuments.eu and are in touch with CARARE and Europeana (European cultural heritage organizations) - who seem to be interested in laying contacts with local cultural heritage organizations. Hopefully that helps them to realize the European context and impact this could have. The most important partner in each country would be the one that governs the database with all monuments, and could release that to you. This database/list is crucial for the success of such an event.
Please inform us (ideally through internal-l) when you would be interested in joining in such European event, if there is enough enthusiasm, we will create a special (easy to join) mailing list to coordinate efforts to allow more volunteers to join in the discussions. We already took the liberty of discussing this with some other chapters, and are hopeful that it will actually get to a first grand chapter cooperation program. Of course this does not mean you are bound, but that you think you would like to participate. You can also join #wikilovesmonumentshttp://piratepad.net/ep/search?query=wikilovesmonumentson freenode irc of course if you like.
With kind regards,
Maarten Dammers (user:Multichill) Lodewijk Gelauff (user:Effeietsanders)
[3]:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/template_syst...
Internal-l mailing list Internal-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-l
Wikimedia Portugal http://www.wikimedia.pt ______________________________________________ WikimediaPT mailing list WikimediaPT@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediapt
Por dois motivos meu anjo:
1. O "*European Open Monument Day*" é em setembro, e fazer o evento perto da efemeride ajuda-nos tanto com a parte governamental da coisa quanto a ter a atenção dos media.
2. Se fizermos em Maio, seremos somente nós. Se fizermos em setembro seremos (por ordem de quem já manisfestou interesse na lista): WMNL, WMIT, WMES, WMFR, WMDE e sem contar o povo da Polónia e alguns da Inglaterra.
Eu acredito ser melhor fazermos em cooperação, não? _____ Béria Lima (Beh) (351) 925 171 484
No dia 14 de Dezembro de 2010 22:34, André Barbosa andrepintto@gmail.comescreveu:
Gosto da ideia, e porque não apresentar os resultados na comemoração dos 10 anos da lusófona, no porto?
André
No dia 14 de Dezembro de 2010 21:34, Béria Lima beria.lima@wikimedia.ptescreveu:
Olá povo.
Lembram-se da ideia de fazer um concurso de fotografias para o nosso aniversário de 10 anos? Que tal fazer isso a nível Europeu - mas somente em Setembro.
A idéia é da Wikimedia Netherlands - Effeietsanders (aka Lodewijk ) contactou-me no IRC para falar sobre o projecto, e hoje mandou o mail anexo a Lista Interna da Wikimedia.
Para participarmos precisamos primeiramente de:
Fazer o levantamento de todos os monumentos que podem entrar na competição (Usar a base do IGESPAR pode ajudar) mas temos que fazer a lista usando esse sistema: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/template_syst.... Já temos uma lista base: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_patrim%C3%B3nio_edificado_em_Portugalhttp://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_patrim%C3%B3nio_edificado_em_Portugalmas ela precisa ser convertida para o sistema e actualizada.
O resto do "how-to-do" está aqui: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/post_mortem
Como esse é um projecto qeu vai dar um certo trabalho para organizar, convinha comecar a fazê-lo já em Janeiro após o aniversário.
Algum interessado? _____ Béria Lima (Beh) (351) 925 171 484
2010/12/14 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
*Summary of this email *(sorry for long text): We did Wiki Loves Monuments (WLM) 2010 in the Netherlands, we would like to do Wiki Loves Monuments again in 2011, but now in Europe. This is only possible when many chapters participate, therefore this e-mail. To be clear: this event will only happen on a European level if there is sufficient chapter participation to combine efforts. *Please feel free to forward* to whomever you find appropriate.
You might have heard before about Wiki Loves Monuments 2010 in the Netherlands. It was a highly successful photo scavenger hunt with 12.500 submissions and over 250 participants[0]. We recently completed a post mortem of this event with a more extensive description and analysis [1]. However, there are still many monuments in the Netherlands which can be photographed, so we are considering another run for next year - but then in a European context. Below we will explain a bit how we got where we are, what we have in mind, and what you could expect.
So how did this all start? At the Dutch Wikipedia we have the windmill project. One of the main goals was to get an article with an image for every windmill in the Netherlands. Lists were created of windmills per province and statistics were made on a regular basis to track progress. This approach worked very well and made it possible to tackle a big problem; All the windmills have an article now.
Some volunteers, in cooperation with the chapter, managed to get a dataset of all "Rijksmonumenten" (Dutch national monuments - 60.000 buildings/objects with some historical or cultural relevance) from the "Rijksdienst voor het Cultureel Erfgoed" (Dutch national heritage organisation, RCE). This marked the birth of the "Rijksmonumenten" project. The project uses the lessons learned in the windmill project. The data from the RCE was converted into lists by location and put on the Dutch Wikipedia. The community started improving the lists by adding missing information or adding photo's.
In June 2009 Wikimedia Nederland ran Wiki Loves Art /NL [2] : A photo scavenger hunt in more than 40 museums. Also quite successful (5.400 photos), but much more work intensive because you need to keep contacts with all the museums and usually museums are further away from people's homes than the nearest monuments.
For 2010 we were looking for a nice topic for a photo competition. The "Rijksmonumenten" project was running very well so we decided to organize Wiki Loves Monuments to give this Wikipedia project a boost.
So, what would a European WLM most likely look like? Let me give you an idea of what we are thinking of, changes are open for debate of course. Trying to incorporate the main lessons from last year in the Netherlands into a European model, we think it might work best if Wiki Loves Monuments is organized on a national level primarily, but with cooperations, shared resources and international prizes on a European level. The national contests do not have to be identical, but some consistency would be practical. We are not sure yet what countries would be most successful, but our initial hope would be EU chapter countries and Switzerland.
Basically, Wiki Loves Monuments would run 1-30 September 2011, and participants would be allowed to submit photos of monuments which are part of the object list. This object list includes the address and ideally geo-coordinates of all monuments which are allowed to participate. In each participating country there would be some prizes available, to be awarded by a jury for that country. The top-X of each could be competing for European prizes.
You can find more information on how WLM 2010 was organized on the post-mortem [1]. That also lines out in more detail how much work it would be, and what the positive impact could be.
Most of the local work would be to get a database with the objects, create object lists from that (possibly Dutch volunteers could support you with that, they have the experience [3]) and get the community involved on that. You would need to get communications going, both external to the press (press releases etc) as to participants (have a clear website in your language(s) with explanation, rules etc), find a jury and prizes for them to award. We can help each other with example press releases, best practices, template and list examples and community motivation.
So, what to do when you like this idea? Well, it would be good to first of all check with your collegues (at the board, other members, community) what they think of it. You probably need several people to run such a competition over time to some extent. Next step would be to do some analysis on your local situation: who would be good partners (who keeps the lists of monuments?) for you, how many monuments are there in your country, are they well spread? What information/photos are already available of it roughly? Are there community members involved in that kind of topic? Definitely read the post-mortem and some relevant links from there [1].
For the time being, we registered www.wikilovesmonuments.eu and are in touch with CARARE and Europeana (European cultural heritage organizations) - who seem to be interested in laying contacts with local cultural heritage organizations. Hopefully that helps them to realize the European context and impact this could have. The most important partner in each country would be the one that governs the database with all monuments, and could release that to you. This database/list is crucial for the success of such an event.
Please inform us (ideally through internal-l) when you would be interested in joining in such European event, if there is enough enthusiasm, we will create a special (easy to join) mailing list to coordinate efforts to allow more volunteers to join in the discussions. We already took the liberty of discussing this with some other chapters, and are hopeful that it will actually get to a first grand chapter cooperation program. Of course this does not mean you are bound, but that you think you would like to participate. You can also join #wikilovesmonumentshttp://piratepad.net/ep/search?query=wikilovesmonumentson freenode irc of course if you like.
With kind regards,
Maarten Dammers (user:Multichill) Lodewijk Gelauff (user:Effeietsanders)
[1]:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/post_mortem [2]:http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Art_Netherlands [3]:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/template_syst...
Internal-l mailing list Internal-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-l
Wikimedia Portugal http://www.wikimedia.pt ______________________________________________ WikimediaPT mailing list WikimediaPT@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediapt
-- André Barbosa
Wikimedia Portugal http://www.wikimedia.pt ______________________________________________ WikimediaPT mailing list WikimediaPT@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediapt
Olá, Béria
Estou interessado em colaborar nessa organização.
João Miguel
No dia 14 de Dezembro de 2010 21:34, Béria Lima beria.lima@wikimedia.ptescreveu:
Olá povo.
Lembram-se da ideia de fazer um concurso de fotografias para o nosso aniversário de 10 anos? Que tal fazer isso a nível Europeu - mas somente em Setembro.
A idéia é da Wikimedia Netherlands - Effeietsanders (aka Lodewijk ) contactou-me no IRC para falar sobre o projecto, e hoje mandou o mail anexo a Lista Interna da Wikimedia.
Para participarmos precisamos primeiramente de:
Fazer o levantamento de todos os monumentos que podem entrar na competição (Usar a base do IGESPAR pode ajudar) mas temos que fazer a lista usando esse sistema: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/template_syst.... Já temos uma lista base: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_patrim%C3%B3nio_edificado_em_Portugalhttp://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_patrim%C3%B3nio_edificado_em_Portugalmas ela precisa ser convertida para o sistema e actualizada.
O resto do "how-to-do" está aqui: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/post_mortem
Como esse é um projecto qeu vai dar um certo trabalho para organizar, convinha comecar a fazê-lo já em Janeiro após o aniversário.
Algum interessado? _____ Béria Lima (Beh) (351) 925 171 484
2010/12/14 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
*Summary of this email *(sorry for long text): We did Wiki Loves Monuments (WLM) 2010 in the Netherlands, we would like to do Wiki Loves Monuments again in 2011, but now in Europe. This is only possible when many chapters participate, therefore this e-mail. To be clear: this event will only happen on a European level if there is sufficient chapter participation to combine efforts. *Please feel free to forward* to whomever you find appropriate.
You might have heard before about Wiki Loves Monuments 2010 in the Netherlands. It was a highly successful photo scavenger hunt with 12.500 submissions and over 250 participants[0]. We recently completed a post mortem of this event with a more extensive description and analysis [1]. However, there are still many monuments in the Netherlands which can be photographed, so we are considering another run for next year - but then in a European context. Below we will explain a bit how we got where we are, what we have in mind, and what you could expect.
So how did this all start? At the Dutch Wikipedia we have the windmill project. One of the main goals was to get an article with an image for every windmill in the Netherlands. Lists were created of windmills per province and statistics were made on a regular basis to track progress. This approach worked very well and made it possible to tackle a big problem; All the windmills have an article now.
Some volunteers, in cooperation with the chapter, managed to get a dataset of all "Rijksmonumenten" (Dutch national monuments - 60.000 buildings/objects with some historical or cultural relevance) from the "Rijksdienst voor het Cultureel Erfgoed" (Dutch national heritage organisation, RCE). This marked the birth of the "Rijksmonumenten" project. The project uses the lessons learned in the windmill project. The data from the RCE was converted into lists by location and put on the Dutch Wikipedia. The community started improving the lists by adding missing information or adding photo's.
In June 2009 Wikimedia Nederland ran Wiki Loves Art /NL [2] : A photo scavenger hunt in more than 40 museums. Also quite successful (5.400 photos), but much more work intensive because you need to keep contacts with all the museums and usually museums are further away from people's homes than the nearest monuments.
For 2010 we were looking for a nice topic for a photo competition. The "Rijksmonumenten" project was running very well so we decided to organize Wiki Loves Monuments to give this Wikipedia project a boost.
So, what would a European WLM most likely look like? Let me give you an idea of what we are thinking of, changes are open for debate of course. Trying to incorporate the main lessons from last year in the Netherlands into a European model, we think it might work best if Wiki Loves Monuments is organized on a national level primarily, but with cooperations, shared resources and international prizes on a European level. The national contests do not have to be identical, but some consistency would be practical. We are not sure yet what countries would be most successful, but our initial hope would be EU chapter countries and Switzerland.
Basically, Wiki Loves Monuments would run 1-30 September 2011, and participants would be allowed to submit photos of monuments which are part of the object list. This object list includes the address and ideally geo-coordinates of all monuments which are allowed to participate. In each participating country there would be some prizes available, to be awarded by a jury for that country. The top-X of each could be competing for European prizes.
You can find more information on how WLM 2010 was organized on the post-mortem [1]. That also lines out in more detail how much work it would be, and what the positive impact could be.
Most of the local work would be to get a database with the objects, create object lists from that (possibly Dutch volunteers could support you with that, they have the experience [3]) and get the community involved on that. You would need to get communications going, both external to the press (press releases etc) as to participants (have a clear website in your language(s) with explanation, rules etc), find a jury and prizes for them to award. We can help each other with example press releases, best practices, template and list examples and community motivation.
So, what to do when you like this idea? Well, it would be good to first of all check with your collegues (at the board, other members, community) what they think of it. You probably need several people to run such a competition over time to some extent. Next step would be to do some analysis on your local situation: who would be good partners (who keeps the lists of monuments?) for you, how many monuments are there in your country, are they well spread? What information/photos are already available of it roughly? Are there community members involved in that kind of topic? Definitely read the post-mortem and some relevant links from there [1].
For the time being, we registered www.wikilovesmonuments.eu and are in touch with CARARE and Europeana (European cultural heritage organizations) - who seem to be interested in laying contacts with local cultural heritage organizations. Hopefully that helps them to realize the European context and impact this could have. The most important partner in each country would be the one that governs the database with all monuments, and could release that to you. This database/list is crucial for the success of such an event.
Please inform us (ideally through internal-l) when you would be interested in joining in such European event, if there is enough enthusiasm, we will create a special (easy to join) mailing list to coordinate efforts to allow more volunteers to join in the discussions. We already took the liberty of discussing this with some other chapters, and are hopeful that it will actually get to a first grand chapter cooperation program. Of course this does not mean you are bound, but that you think you would like to participate. You can also join #wikilovesmonumentshttp://piratepad.net/ep/search?query=wikilovesmonumentson freenode irc of course if you like.
With kind regards,
Maarten Dammers (user:Multichill) Lodewijk Gelauff (user:Effeietsanders)
[3]:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/template_syst...
Internal-l mailing list Internal-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-l
Wikimedia Portugal http://www.wikimedia.pt ______________________________________________ WikimediaPT mailing list WikimediaPT@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediapt
Bem, para fazermos qualquer coisa, precisamos de:
* Organizar a nossa base de dados conforme o padrão da Wikipédia em neerlandês. * Actualizar a base de dados de todos os monumentos classificados (isso se formos usar somente os classificados, podemos escolher fazer com todos os da base de dados do IGESPAR, mas isso é coisa a discutir)
Entretanto convinha que isso ficasse pronto o mais cedo possível (no fim de Março no máximo) para que pudessemos passar para as coisas mais "evento" do trabalho.
Eu *não posso* mexer nisso até o aniversário porque tenho milhares de coisas para fazer até lá, mas se tu (ou outra pessoa) de disponibilizasse para contactar o IGESPAR e conseguir uma base de dados de todos os monumentos, seria mesmo muito bom. (com uma base de dados pronta, um bot qualquer consegue criar as listas)
Aceitas fazer isso? _____ Béria Lima (Beh)
No dia 15 de Dezembro de 2010 15:48, Projecto X mvasconcellosx@gmail.comescreveu:
Olá, Béria
Estou interessado em colaborar nessa organização.
João Miguel
No dia 14 de Dezembro de 2010 21:34, Béria Lima beria.lima@wikimedia.ptescreveu:
Olá povo.
Lembram-se da ideia de fazer um concurso de fotografias para o nosso aniversário de 10 anos? Que tal fazer isso a nível Europeu - mas somente em Setembro.
A idéia é da Wikimedia Netherlands - Effeietsanders (aka Lodewijk ) contactou-me no IRC para falar sobre o projecto, e hoje mandou o mail anexo a Lista Interna da Wikimedia.
Para participarmos precisamos primeiramente de:
Fazer o levantamento de todos os monumentos que podem entrar na competição (Usar a base do IGESPAR pode ajudar) mas temos que fazer a lista usando esse sistema: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/template_syst.... Já temos uma lista base: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_patrim%C3%B3nio_edificado_em_Portugalhttp://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_patrim%C3%B3nio_edificado_em_Portugalmas ela precisa ser convertida para o sistema e actualizada.
O resto do "how-to-do" está aqui: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/post_mortem
Como esse é um projecto qeu vai dar um certo trabalho para organizar, convinha comecar a fazê-lo já em Janeiro após o aniversário.
Algum interessado? _____ Béria Lima (Beh) (351) 925 171 484
2010/12/14 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
*Summary of this email *(sorry for long text): We did Wiki Loves Monuments (WLM) 2010 in the Netherlands, we would like to do Wiki Loves Monuments again in 2011, but now in Europe. This is only possible when many chapters participate, therefore this e-mail. To be clear: this event will only happen on a European level if there is sufficient chapter participation to combine efforts. *Please feel free to forward* to whomever you find appropriate.
You might have heard before about Wiki Loves Monuments 2010 in the Netherlands. It was a highly successful photo scavenger hunt with 12.500 submissions and over 250 participants[0]. We recently completed a post mortem of this event with a more extensive description and analysis [1]. However, there are still many monuments in the Netherlands which can be photographed, so we are considering another run for next year - but then in a European context. Below we will explain a bit how we got where we are, what we have in mind, and what you could expect.
So how did this all start? At the Dutch Wikipedia we have the windmill project. One of the main goals was to get an article with an image for every windmill in the Netherlands. Lists were created of windmills per province and statistics were made on a regular basis to track progress. This approach worked very well and made it possible to tackle a big problem; All the windmills have an article now.
Some volunteers, in cooperation with the chapter, managed to get a dataset of all "Rijksmonumenten" (Dutch national monuments - 60.000 buildings/objects with some historical or cultural relevance) from the "Rijksdienst voor het Cultureel Erfgoed" (Dutch national heritage organisation, RCE). This marked the birth of the "Rijksmonumenten" project. The project uses the lessons learned in the windmill project. The data from the RCE was converted into lists by location and put on the Dutch Wikipedia. The community started improving the lists by adding missing information or adding photo's.
In June 2009 Wikimedia Nederland ran Wiki Loves Art /NL [2] : A photo scavenger hunt in more than 40 museums. Also quite successful (5.400 photos), but much more work intensive because you need to keep contacts with all the museums and usually museums are further away from people's homes than the nearest monuments.
For 2010 we were looking for a nice topic for a photo competition. The "Rijksmonumenten" project was running very well so we decided to organize Wiki Loves Monuments to give this Wikipedia project a boost.
So, what would a European WLM most likely look like? Let me give you an idea of what we are thinking of, changes are open for debate of course. Trying to incorporate the main lessons from last year in the Netherlands into a European model, we think it might work best if Wiki Loves Monuments is organized on a national level primarily, but with cooperations, shared resources and international prizes on a European level. The national contests do not have to be identical, but some consistency would be practical. We are not sure yet what countries would be most successful, but our initial hope would be EU chapter countries and Switzerland.
Basically, Wiki Loves Monuments would run 1-30 September 2011, and participants would be allowed to submit photos of monuments which are part of the object list. This object list includes the address and ideally geo-coordinates of all monuments which are allowed to participate. In each participating country there would be some prizes available, to be awarded by a jury for that country. The top-X of each could be competing for European prizes.
You can find more information on how WLM 2010 was organized on the post-mortem [1]. That also lines out in more detail how much work it would be, and what the positive impact could be.
Most of the local work would be to get a database with the objects, create object lists from that (possibly Dutch volunteers could support you with that, they have the experience [3]) and get the community involved on that. You would need to get communications going, both external to the press (press releases etc) as to participants (have a clear website in your language(s) with explanation, rules etc), find a jury and prizes for them to award. We can help each other with example press releases, best practices, template and list examples and community motivation.
So, what to do when you like this idea? Well, it would be good to first of all check with your collegues (at the board, other members, community) what they think of it. You probably need several people to run such a competition over time to some extent. Next step would be to do some analysis on your local situation: who would be good partners (who keeps the lists of monuments?) for you, how many monuments are there in your country, are they well spread? What information/photos are already available of it roughly? Are there community members involved in that kind of topic? Definitely read the post-mortem and some relevant links from there [1].
For the time being, we registered www.wikilovesmonuments.eu and are in touch with CARARE and Europeana (European cultural heritage organizations) - who seem to be interested in laying contacts with local cultural heritage organizations. Hopefully that helps them to realize the European context and impact this could have. The most important partner in each country would be the one that governs the database with all monuments, and could release that to you. This database/list is crucial for the success of such an event.
Please inform us (ideally through internal-l) when you would be interested in joining in such European event, if there is enough enthusiasm, we will create a special (easy to join) mailing list to coordinate efforts to allow more volunteers to join in the discussions. We already took the liberty of discussing this with some other chapters, and are hopeful that it will actually get to a first grand chapter cooperation program. Of course this does not mean you are bound, but that you think you would like to participate. You can also join #wikilovesmonumentshttp://piratepad.net/ep/search?query=wikilovesmonumentson freenode irc of course if you like.
With kind regards,
Maarten Dammers (user:Multichill) Lodewijk Gelauff (user:Effeietsanders)
[1]:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/post_mortem [2]:http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Art_Netherlands [3]:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/template_syst...
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-- João Miguel Vasconcellos
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Boas, eu creio que posso dar uma ajuda aqui. As nossas listas de património vieram do IPPAR, com alguma magia entre bots e scripts que recolheram de webpages para uma Base de Dados, se não estou em erro. Posso ver se os encontro.
Para não ter que repetir o processo seria bom fazer uma parcerias com o IGESPAR e, desta vez, solicitar a BD directamente, ou eles que facultem uma fonte estruturada dos dados - que nós tratamos do resto. Creio que também posso ajudar nesta parte.
João Miguel, conheces alguém no/do IGESPAR/IPPAR/IPA? Alguém?
Oops, agora reparo que não acabei de ler o último mail da Béria... esqueçam, tirando a parte em que posso dar uma ajuda.
Só uma pergunta: se fizermos esta actividade em setembro, temos que alterar o plano para o aniversário a 11 de maio.
Eis o que se decidiu na reunião:
*ficou acordada a realização de um evento focado primariamente na wiki,
envolvendo a escolha de tópicos importantes para a lusofonia (possivelmente realizada com a cooperação de instituições como a CPLP e o recém-criado Observatório da Língua Portuguesa), os quais serão expandidos quer nos artigos, quer na obtenção de fotografias, vídeos ou áudio. Os participantes poderão escolher temas entre os sugeridos em que desejem trabalhar. O concurso, com a duração sugerida de uma semana (para manter o ritmo e o entusiasmo dos participantes) envolveria uma componente de competição, em que as fotografias e os artigos (e demais formatos de contribuição) seriam votados e os melhores seriam destacados na página principal da Wikipédia. Seria também procurado o envolvimento de elementos de fora da comunidade, por exemplo fotógrafos contactados através do Flickr. Este e outros detalhes do evento estão abertos para discussão. (Uma sugestão que foi feita na reunião foi ter a lista de inscrição de participantes a indicar explicitamente o país de origem dos mesmos, para destacar a diversidade cultural da comunidade lusófona).*
Se removermos a parte de recolha de fotografias e outros media, o projecto resumir-se-ia a:
1. escolha de tópicos relevantes no contexto da lusofonia, possivelmente com a cooperação de instituições 2. criação/expansão dos artigos que cobrem esses tópicos 3. os artigos seriam votados e os melhores destacados na página principal 4. elementos de fora talvez pudessem ainda ser angariados; por exemplo, estudantes
Parece-vos suficiente? Vêm algo que acham que deveria ser incluído/removido/alterado?
Waldir
2010/12/15 Nuno Tavares nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt
Oops, agora reparo que não acabei de ler o último mail da Béria... esqueçam, tirando a parte em que posso dar uma ajuda.
-- Nuno Tavares Wikimedia Portugal http://www.wikimedia.pt/
Nuno Tavares escreveu:
Boas, eu creio que posso dar uma ajuda aqui. As nossas listas de património vieram do IPPAR, com alguma magia entre bots e scripts que recolheram de webpages para uma Base de Dados, se não estou em erro. Posso ver se os encontro.
Para não ter que repetir o processo seria bom fazer uma parcerias com o IGESPAR e, desta vez, solicitar a BD directamente, ou eles que facultem uma fonte estruturada dos dados - que nós tratamos do resto. Creio que também posso ajudar nesta parte.
João Miguel, conheces alguém no/do IGESPAR/IPPAR/IPA? Alguém?
Wikimedia Portugal http://www.wikimedia.pt ______________________________________________ WikimediaPT mailing list WikimediaPT@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediapt
Bem, para mim é uma 3 em 1, já que geolocalização, património e fotografia são áreas que me interessam particularmente. Contem com a minha ajuda
Alguma coisa que se possa ir adiantando *já ou a curto prazo (próximas semanas)*?
Abs
Lije
No dia 15 de Dezembro de 2010 20:00, Nuno Tavares <nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt
escreveu:
Oops, agora reparo que não acabei de ler o último mail da Béria... esqueçam, tirando a parte em que posso dar uma ajuda.
-- Nuno Tavares Wikimedia Portugal http://www.wikimedia.pt/
Nuno Tavares escreveu:
Boas, eu creio que posso dar uma ajuda aqui. As nossas listas de património vieram do IPPAR, com alguma magia entre bots e scripts que recolheram de webpages para uma Base de Dados, se não estou em erro. Posso ver se os encontro.
Para não ter que repetir o processo seria bom fazer uma parcerias com o IGESPAR e, desta vez, solicitar a BD directamente, ou eles que facultem uma fonte estruturada dos dados - que nós tratamos do resto. Creio que também posso ajudar nesta parte.
João Miguel, conheces alguém no/do IGESPAR/IPPAR/IPA? Alguém?
Wikimedia Portugal http://www.wikimedia.pt ______________________________________________ WikimediaPT mailing list WikimediaPT@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediapt
Eu escrevi em 15 de Dezembro:
* Organizar a nossa base de dados conforme o padrão da Wikipédia em neerlandês. ( http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/template_syst...) * Actualizar a base de dados de todos os monumentos classificados (isso se formos usar somente os classificados, podemos escolher fazer com todos os da base de dados do IGESPAR, mas isso é coisa a discutir)
Como tava o Nuno a dizer, é coisa de pedir a igespar uma lista actualizada e passar um bot na lista para mandar as listas pra wiki. :P _____ Béria Lima (Beh) (351) 925 171 484
No dia 19 de Dezembro de 2010 14:06, L S lijealso.wikimedia@gmail.comescreveu:
Bem, para mim é uma 3 em 1, já que geolocalização, património e fotografia são áreas que me interessam particularmente. Contem com a minha ajuda
Alguma coisa que se possa ir adiantando *já ou a curto prazo (próximas semanas)*?
Abs
Lije
No dia 15 de Dezembro de 2010 20:00, Nuno Tavares < nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt> escreveu:
Oops, agora reparo que não acabei de ler o último mail da Béria...
esqueçam, tirando a parte em que posso dar uma ajuda.
-- Nuno Tavares Wikimedia Portugal http://www.wikimedia.pt/
Nuno Tavares escreveu:
Boas, eu creio que posso dar uma ajuda aqui. As nossas listas de património vieram do IPPAR, com alguma magia entre bots e scripts que recolheram de webpages para uma Base de Dados, se não estou em erro. Posso ver se os encontro.
Para não ter que repetir o processo seria bom fazer uma parcerias com o IGESPAR e, desta vez, solicitar a BD directamente, ou eles que facultem uma fonte estruturada dos dados - que nós tratamos do resto. Creio que também posso ajudar nesta parte.
João Miguel, conheces alguém no/do IGESPAR/IPPAR/IPA? Alguém?
Wikimedia Portugal http://www.wikimedia.pt ______________________________________________ WikimediaPT mailing list WikimediaPT@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediapt
-- Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.
Participe também: http://wikimedia.org http://wikimedia.pt
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Pegando na mensagem do Nuno, parceria é a palavra fundamental. Fazer um simples pedido é desaproveitar a oportunidade de fazer investida a uma entidade que deve ser prioridade, e que pode abrir portas a outras entidades também importantes.
Adiante, de referir que já existe, no WM Commons, isto:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Projecto_Monumentos_Portugueses
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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Projecto_Monumentos_PortuguesesNão consigo entender se existe um identificador único para o património/monumentos em Portugal. Se o nº que vem no URL da página da ficha de cada monumento no IGESPAR, tudo OK.
De referir que o IHRU também tem uma base de dados (fazer, já agora, um pedido também a esta entidade?)
http://extranet.monumentos.pt/Monumentos/forms/002_B.aspx
que vai para além da tipologia de monumento, e que utiliza o nº IPA que deverá ter uma ficha IPA associada
Ex: tipologia "paisagem" página do IHRU:
http://extranet.monumentos.pt/Monumentos/forms/002_B2.aspx?CoHa=2_B1 com nº IPA = PT010106010034
Ex ficha de IPA:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://revelarlx.cm-lisboa.pt/fotos/gca/1...
Dá-me a sensação que a info nas páginas do IHRU, nas fichas IPA e no site IGESPAR para cada monumento não é identica.
De referir que o site IHRU providencia geolocalização WGS84, formato decimal:
http://extranet.monumentos.pt/Monumentos/forms/002_B2.aspx?CoHa=2_B1
Obter dados de localização é importante, para este projecto em particular. O site IGESPAR tem uma pesquisa georreferenciada, mas que não abrange, se não me engano, todo o país.
Se ao pedir-se dados ao IGESPAR, fosse possível obter listagens temáticas, ex listas de pelourinhos, (corresponde a "tipologia" na busca do IGESPAR), tanto melhor, para se pode fazer listagens similares na Wikipédia.
Se o âmbito for mais alargado, não esquecer o património arqueológico, que também tem pesquisa IGESPAR.
Outra questão seria a de eventualmente podermos criar site ou página algures com algum tipo de mapeamento (mapeamento embebido numa wiki, por exemplo, ou mapa google público), ou então fazer os que os holandeses fizereram, que já ajuda alguma coisa:
http://www.nsesoftware.nl/wiki/maps.asp?params=51_58_28_N_4_14_56_E_zoom:18_...
ou utilizar ferramenta/serviço similar que já exista, ex toolserver?
http://toolserver.org/~geohack/geohack.php?language=pt&pagename=Pal%C3%A...
Vou parar se não escrevo um testamento.
Lije
http://extranet.monumentos.pt/Monumentos/forms/002_B.aspx
No dia 19 de Dezembro de 2010 14:16, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.comescreveu:
Eu escrevi em 15 de Dezembro:
- Organizar a nossa base de dados conforme o padrão da Wikipédia em
neerlandês. ( http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/template_syst...)
- Actualizar a base de dados de todos os monumentos classificados (isso se
formos usar somente os classificados, podemos escolher fazer com todos os da base de dados do IGESPAR, mas isso é coisa a discutir)
Como tava o Nuno a dizer, é coisa de pedir a igespar uma lista actualizada e passar um bot na lista para mandar as listas pra wiki. :P
Béria Lima (Beh) (351) 925 171 484
No dia 19 de Dezembro de 2010 14:06, L S lijealso.wikimedia@gmail.comescreveu:
Bem, para mim é uma 3 em 1, já que geolocalização, património e fotografia
são áreas que me interessam particularmente. Contem com a minha ajuda
Alguma coisa que se possa ir adiantando *já ou a curto prazo (próximas semanas)*?
Abs
Lije
No dia 15 de Dezembro de 2010 20:00, Nuno Tavares < nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt> escreveu:
Oops, agora reparo que não acabei de ler o último mail da Béria...
esqueçam, tirando a parte em que posso dar uma ajuda.
-- Nuno Tavares Wikimedia Portugal http://www.wikimedia.pt/
Nuno Tavares escreveu:
Boas, eu creio que posso dar uma ajuda aqui. As nossas listas de património vieram do IPPAR, com alguma magia entre bots e scripts que recolheram de webpages para uma Base de Dados, se não estou em erro. Posso ver se os encontro.
Para não ter que repetir o processo seria bom fazer uma parcerias com o IGESPAR e, desta vez, solicitar a BD directamente, ou eles que facultem uma fonte estruturada dos dados - que nós tratamos do resto. Creio que também posso ajudar nesta parte.
João Miguel, conheces alguém no/do IGESPAR/IPPAR/IPA? Alguém?
Wikimedia Portugal http://www.wikimedia.pt ______________________________________________ WikimediaPT mailing list WikimediaPT@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediapt
-- Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.
Participe também: http://wikimedia.org http://wikimedia.pt
Wikimedia Portugal http://www.wikimedia.pt ______________________________________________ WikimediaPT mailing list WikimediaPT@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediapt
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Obrigado Lije.
Creio que sim. Vejo duas opções: * Adiantar/Começar a "arquitectura" do nosso sistema de doações. Isto tem que andar para a frente. NMO, esta seria a prioridade.
* Estruturar o projecto dos Museus: dizer concretamente o que é necessário, o que falta, etc. Eu até já tinha o mail para o IGESPAR nos rascunhos, mas o João Miguel disse que os ia contactar e acabei por largar. Há aqui actividades interessantes, como rally papers.
Tudo isto demora a organizar...
Olá. Vou falar com alguém do IGESPAR com capacidade de nos dizer das possibilidades em realizar tais parcerias. João Miguel
No dia 15 de Dezembro de 2010 19:58, Nuno Tavares <nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt
escreveu:
Boas, eu creio que posso dar uma ajuda aqui. As nossas listas de património vieram do IPPAR, com alguma magia entre bots e scripts que recolheram de webpages para uma Base de Dados, se não estou em erro. Posso ver se os encontro.
Para não ter que repetir o processo seria bom fazer uma parcerias com o IGESPAR e, desta vez, solicitar a BD directamente, ou eles que facultem uma fonte estruturada dos dados - que nós tratamos do resto. Creio que também posso ajudar nesta parte.
João Miguel, conheces alguém no/do IGESPAR/IPPAR/IPA? Alguém?
-- Nuno Tavares Wikimedia Portugal http://www.wikimedia.pt/
Béria Lima escreveu:
Bem, para fazermos qualquer coisa, precisamos de:
- Organizar a nossa base de dados conforme o padrão da Wikipédia em
neerlandês.
- Actualizar a base de dados de todos os monumentos classificados (isso
se formos usar somente os classificados, podemos escolher fazer com todos os da base de dados do IGESPAR, mas isso é coisa a discutir)
Entretanto convinha que isso ficasse pronto o mais cedo possível (no fim de Março no máximo) para que pudessemos passar para as coisas mais "evento" do trabalho.
Eu *não posso* mexer nisso até o aniversário porque tenho milhares de coisas para fazer até lá, mas se tu (ou outra pessoa) de disponibilizasse para contactar o IGESPAR e conseguir uma base de dados de todos os monumentos, seria mesmo muito bom. (com uma base de dados pronta, um bot qualquer consegue criar as listas)
Aceitas fazer isso? _____ Béria Lima (Beh)
No dia 15 de Dezembro de 2010 15:48, Projecto X <mvasconcellosx@gmail.com mailto:mvasconcellosx@gmail.com> escreveu:
Olá, Béria Estou interessado em colaborar nessa organização. João Miguel No dia 14 de Dezembro de 2010 21:34, Béria Lima <beria.lima@wikimedia.pt <mailto:beria.lima@wikimedia.pt>> escreveu: Olá povo. Lembram-se da ideia de fazer um concurso de fotografias para o nosso aniversário de 10 anos? Que tal fazer isso a nível Europeu - mas somente em Setembro. A idéia é da Wikimedia Netherlands - Effeietsanders (aka Lodewijk ) contactou-me no IRC para falar sobre o projecto, e hoje mandou o mail anexo a Lista Interna da Wikimedia. Para participarmos precisamos primeiramente de: Fazer o levantamento de todos os monumentos que podem entrar na competição (Usar a base do IGESPAR pode ajudar) mas temos que fazer a lista usando esse sistema:http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/template_syst... .
Já temos uma lista base:http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_patrim%C3%B3nio_edificado_em_Portugalhttp://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_patrim%C3%B3nio_edificado_em_Portugal
<http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_patrim%C3%B3nio_edificado_em_Portugal
mas ela precisa ser convertida para o sistema e actualizada. O resto do "how-to-do" está aqui:http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/post_mortem
Como esse é um projecto qeu vai dar um certo trabalho para organizar, convinha comecar a fazê-lo já em Janeiro após o aniversário. Algum interessado? _____ Béria Lima (Beh) (351) 925 171 484 2010/12/14 Lodewijk <lodewijk@effeietsanders.org <mailto:lodewijk@effeietsanders.org>> *Summary of this email *(sorry for long text): We did Wiki Loves Monuments (WLM) 2010 in the Netherlands, we would like to do Wiki Loves Monuments again in 2011, but now in Europe. This is only possible when many chapters participate, therefore this e-mail. To be clear: this event will only happen on a European level if there is sufficient chapter participation to combine efforts. *Please feel free to forward* to whomever you find appropriate. You might have heard before about Wiki Loves Monuments 2010 in the Netherlands. It was a highly successful photo scavenger hunt with 12.500 submissions and over 250 participants[0]. We recently completed a post mortem of this event with a more extensive description and analysis [1]. However, there are still many monuments in the Netherlands which can be photographed, so we are considering another run for next year - but then in a European context. Below we will explain a bit how we got where we are, what we have in mind, and what you could expect. So how did this all start? At the Dutch Wikipedia we have the windmill project. One of the main goals was to get an article with an image for every windmill in the Netherlands. Lists were created of windmills per province and statistics were made on a regular basis to track progress. This approach worked very well and made it possible to tackle a big problem; All the windmills have an article now. Some volunteers, in cooperation with the chapter, managed to get a dataset of all "Rijksmonumenten" (Dutch national monuments - 60.000 buildings/objects with some historical or cultural relevance) from the "Rijksdienst voor het Cultureel Erfgoed" (Dutch national heritage organisation, RCE). This marked the birth of the "Rijksmonumenten" project. The project uses the lessons learned in the windmill project. The data from the RCE was converted into lists by location and put on the Dutch Wikipedia. The community started improving the lists by adding missing information or adding photo's. In June 2009 Wikimedia Nederland ran Wiki Loves Art /NL [2] : A photo scavenger hunt in more than 40 museums. Also quite successful (5.400 photos), but much more work intensive because you need to keep contacts with all the museums and usually museums are further away from people's homes than the nearest monuments. For 2010 we were looking for a nice topic for a photo competition. The "Rijksmonumenten" project was running very well so we decided to organize Wiki Loves Monuments to give this Wikipedia project a boost. So, what would a European WLM most likely look like? Let me give you an idea of what we are thinking of, changes are open for debate of course. Trying to incorporate the main lessons from last year in the Netherlands into a European model, we think it might work best if Wiki Loves Monuments is organized on a national level primarily, but with cooperations, shared resources and international prizes on a European level. The national contests do not have to be identical, but some consistency would be practical. We are not sure yet what countries would be most successful, but our initial hope would be EU chapter countries andSwitzerland.
Basically, Wiki Loves Monuments would run 1-30 September 2011, and participants would be allowed to submit photos of monuments which are part of the object list. This object list includes the address and ideally geo-coordinates of all monuments which are allowed to participate. In each participating country there would be some prizes available, to be awarded by a jury for that country. The top-X of each could be competing for European prizes. You can find more information on how WLM 2010 was organized on the post-mortem [1]. That also lines out in more detail how much work it would be, and what the positive impact could be. Most of the local work would be to get a database with the objects, create object lists from that (possibly Dutch volunteers could support you with that, they have the experience [3]) and get the community involved on that. You would need to get communications going, both external to the press (press releases etc) as to participants (have a clear website in your language(s) with explanation, rules etc), find a jury and prizes for them to award. We can help each other with example press releases, best practices, template and list examples and community motivation. So, what to do when you like this idea? Well, it would be good to first of all check with your collegues (at the board, other members, community) what they think of it. You probably need several people to run such a competition over time to some extent. Next step would be to do some analysis on your local situation: who would be good partners (who keeps the lists of monuments?) for you, how many monuments are there in your country, are they well spread? What information/photos are already available of it roughly? Are there community members involved in that kind of topic? Definitely read the post-mortem and some relevant links from there [1]. For the time being, we registered www.wikilovesmonuments.eu <http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu/> and are in touch with CARARE and Europeana (European cultural heritage organizations) - who seem to be interested in laying contacts with local cultural heritage organizations. Hopefully that helps them to realize the European context and impact this could have. The most important partner in each country would be the one that governs the database with all monuments, and could release that to you. This database/list is crucial for the success of such an event. Please inform us (ideally through internal-l) when you would be interested in joining in such European event, if there is enough enthusiasm, we will create a special (easy to join) mailing list to coordinate efforts to allow more volunteers to join in the discussions. We already took the liberty of discussing this with some other chapters, and are hopeful that it will actually get to a first grand chapter cooperation program. Of course this does not mean you are bound, but that you think you would like to participate. You can also join #wikilovesmonuments <http://piratepad.net/ep/search?query=wikilovesmonuments> on freenode irc of course if you like. With kind regards, Maarten Dammers (user:Multichill) Lodewijk Gelauff (user:Effeietsanders) [0]:http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments
[1]:http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/post_mortem
[2]:http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Art_Netherlands
[3]:http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/template_syst...
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