Boas, eu creio que posso dar uma ajuda aqui. As nossas listas de
património vieram do IPPAR, com alguma magia entre bots e scripts que
recolheram de webpages para uma Base de Dados, se não estou em erro.
Posso ver se os encontro.
Para não ter que repetir o processo seria bom fazer uma parcerias com o
IGESPAR e, desta vez, solicitar a BD directamente, ou eles que facultem
uma fonte estruturada dos dados - que nós tratamos do resto. Creio que
também posso ajudar nesta parte.
João Miguel, conheces alguém no/do IGESPAR/IPPAR/IPA? Alguém?
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Bem, para fazermos qualquer coisa, precisamos de:
* Organizar a nossa base de dados conforme o padrão da Wikipédia em
neerlandês.
* Actualizar a base de dados de todos os monumentos classificados (isso
se formos usar somente os classificados, podemos escolher fazer com
todos os da base de dados do IGESPAR, mas isso é coisa a discutir)
Entretanto convinha que isso ficasse pronto o mais cedo possível (no fim
de Março no máximo) para que pudessemos passar para as coisas mais
"evento" do trabalho.
Eu *não posso* mexer nisso até o aniversário porque tenho milhares de
coisas para fazer até lá, mas se tu (ou outra pessoa) de
disponibilizasse para contactar o IGESPAR e conseguir uma base de dados
de todos os monumentos, seria mesmo muito bom. (com uma base de dados
pronta, um bot qualquer consegue criar as listas)
Aceitas fazer isso?
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Béria Lima (Beh)
No dia 15 de Dezembro de 2010 15:48, Projecto X
<mvasconcellosx(a)gmail.com <mailto:mvasconcellosx@gmail.com>> escreveu:
Olá, Béria
Estou interessado em colaborar nessa organização.
João Miguel
No dia 14 de Dezembro de 2010 21:34, Béria Lima
<beria.lima(a)wikimedia.pt <mailto:beria.lima@wikimedia.pt>> escreveu:
Olá povo.
Lembram-se da ideia de fazer um concurso de fotografias para o
nosso aniversário de 10 anos? Que tal fazer isso a nível Europeu
- mas somente em Setembro.
A idéia é da Wikimedia Netherlands - Effeietsanders (aka
Lodewijk ) contactou-me no IRC para falar sobre o projecto, e
hoje mandou o mail anexo a Lista Interna da Wikimedia.
Para participarmos precisamos primeiramente de:
Fazer o levantamento de todos os monumentos que podem entrar na
competição (Usar a base do IGESPAR pode ajudar) mas temos que
fazer a lista usando esse sistema:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/template_sys….
Já temos uma lista base:
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_património_edificado_em_Portugal
<http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_patrim%C3%B3nio_edificado_em_Portugal>
mas ela precisa ser convertida para o sistema e actualizada.
O resto do "how-to-do" está aqui:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/post_mortem
Como esse é um projecto qeu vai dar um certo trabalho para
organizar, convinha comecar a fazê-lo já em Janeiro após o
aniversário.
Algum interessado?
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Béria Lima (Beh)
(351) 925 171 484
2010/12/14 Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org
<mailto:lodewijk@effeietsanders.org>>
*Summary of this email *(sorry for long text): We did Wiki
Loves Monuments (WLM) 2010 in the Netherlands, we would like
to do Wiki Loves Monuments again in 2011, but now in Europe.
This is only possible when many chapters participate,
therefore this e-mail. To be clear: this event will only
happen on a European level if there is sufficient chapter
participation to combine efforts. *Please feel free to
forward* to whomever you find appropriate.
You might have heard before about Wiki Loves Monuments 2010
in the Netherlands. It was a highly successful photo
scavenger hunt with 12.500 submissions and over 250
participants[0]. We recently completed a post mortem of this
event with a more extensive description and analysis [1].
However, there are still many monuments in the Netherlands
which can be photographed, so we are considering another run
for next year - but then in a European context. Below we
will explain a bit how we got where we are, what we have in
mind, and what you could expect.
So how did this all start? At the Dutch Wikipedia we have
the windmill project. One of the main goals was to get an
article with an image for every windmill in the Netherlands.
Lists were created of windmills per province and statistics
were made on a regular basis to track progress. This
approach worked very well and made it possible to tackle a
big problem; All the windmills have an article now.
Some volunteers, in cooperation with the chapter, managed to
get a dataset of all "Rijksmonumenten" (Dutch national
monuments - 60.000 buildings/objects with some historical or
cultural relevance) from the "Rijksdienst voor het Cultureel
Erfgoed" (Dutch national heritage organisation, RCE). This
marked the birth of the "Rijksmonumenten" project. The
project uses the lessons learned in the windmill project.
The data from the RCE was converted into lists by location
and put on the Dutch Wikipedia. The community started
improving the lists by adding missing information or adding
photo's.
In June 2009 Wikimedia Nederland ran Wiki Loves Art /NL [2]
: A photo scavenger hunt in more than 40 museums. Also quite
successful (5.400 photos), but much more work intensive
because you need to keep contacts with all the museums and
usually museums are further away from people's homes than
the nearest monuments.
For 2010 we were looking for a nice topic for a photo
competition. The "Rijksmonumenten" project was running very
well so we decided to organize Wiki Loves Monuments to give
this Wikipedia project a boost.
So, what would a European WLM most likely look like? Let me
give you an idea of what we are thinking of, changes are
open for debate of course. Trying to incorporate the main
lessons from last year in the Netherlands into a European
model, we think it might work best if Wiki Loves Monuments
is organized on a national level primarily, but with
cooperations, shared resources and international prizes on a
European level. The national contests do not have to be
identical, but some consistency would be practical. We are
not sure yet what countries would be most successful, but
our initial hope would be EU chapter countries and Switzerland.
Basically, Wiki Loves Monuments would run 1-30 September
2011, and participants would be allowed to submit photos of
monuments which are part of the object list. This object
list includes the address and ideally geo-coordinates of all
monuments which are allowed to participate. In each
participating country there would be some prizes available,
to be awarded by a jury for that country. The top-X of each
could be competing for European prizes.
You can find more information on how WLM 2010 was organized
on the post-mortem [1]. That also lines out in more detail
how much work it would be, and what the positive impact
could be.
Most of the local work would be to get a database with the
objects, create object lists from that (possibly Dutch
volunteers could support you with that, they have the
experience [3]) and get the community involved on that. You
would need to get communications going, both external to the
press (press releases etc) as to participants (have a clear
website in your language(s) with explanation, rules etc),
find a jury and prizes for them to award. We can help each
other with example press releases, best practices, template
and list examples and community motivation.
So, what to do when you like this idea? Well, it would be
good to first of all check with your collegues (at the
board, other members, community) what they think of it. You
probably need several people to run such a competition over
time to some extent. Next step would be to do some analysis
on your local situation: who would be good partners (who
keeps the lists of monuments?) for you, how many monuments
are there in your country, are they well spread? What
information/photos are already available of it roughly? Are
there community members involved in that kind of topic?
Definitely read the post-mortem and some relevant links from
there [1].
For the time being, we registered
www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
<http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu/> and are in touch with
CARARE and Europeana (European cultural heritage
organizations) - who seem to be interested in laying
contacts with local cultural heritage organizations.
Hopefully that helps them to realize the European context
and impact this could have. The most important partner in
each country would be the one that governs the database with
all monuments, and could release that to you. This
database/list is crucial for the success of such an event.
Please inform us (ideally through internal-l) when you would
be interested in joining in such European event, if there is
enough enthusiasm, we will create a special (easy to join)
mailing list to coordinate efforts to allow more volunteers
to join in the discussions. We already took the liberty of
discussing this with some other chapters, and are hopeful
that it will actually get to a first grand chapter
cooperation program. Of course this does not mean you are
bound, but that you think you would like to participate. You
can also join #wikilovesmonuments
<http://piratepad.net/ep/search?query=wikilovesmonuments> on
freenode irc of course if you like.
With kind regards,
Maarten Dammers (user:Multichill)
Lodewijk Gelauff (user:Effeietsanders)
[0]:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments
[1]:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/post_mortem
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2]:http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Art_Netherlands
[3]:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/template_sys…
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