*Lodewijk said: Now I *do* see an added value for a French language track... *
About that: There will be tracks in French? Quebec being a French speaking province and all...
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2016-07-06 14:33 GMT-03:00 Pharos pharosofalexandria@gmail.com:
None! We'd want as many Europeans, Asians, Africans, and South Americans as are interested to join the North American regional planning meetups.
Thanks, Pharos
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Still I wonder: what would be the kind of topics you'd like to schedule there that you would /not/ want non-North Americans to participate in?
Lodewijk
2016-07-06 19:28 GMT+02:00 Sydney Poore sydney.poore@gmail.com:
As Pharos says, my understanding also from discussions was that North Americans were planning to have a pre-conference or post conference at Wikimanina 2017.
Sydney
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On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Pharos pharosofalexandria@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, we were thinking more along the lines of an expanded preconference with greater regional opportunities, rather than a separate track during the actual Wikimania.
Thanks, Pharos
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:11 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com wrote:
Or -- my favorite solution -- leaving LOTS of time in the schedule for meetups and discussion tracks, so that all kinds of groups -- including those interested specifically in North America-related issues (like building a coalition of NA usergroups, planning future conferences, doing NA-specific outreach or lobbying) can meet to discuss such things.
We've had discussion time historically at most Wikimanias but I think we can always leave more time in the schedule for this kind of meetup. Additionally a preconference day could work too, when multiple thematic tracks could be scheduled (lots of people have historically asked for preconferences, not just the hackers -- everyone from researchers to librarians to glam outreach coordinators to affiliates have considered it in the past).
(Of course, if I was in charge of the schedule I would probably get rid of individual presentations altogether during Wikimania, and just have panels/lightning talks/discussions. Best not to put me in charge of the schedule! :)
-- Phoebe
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Leila Zia leila@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Pine,
Co-located events in conferences work well if the event that is co-located with the main conference attracts a new audience that the main conference doesn't usually get by default. In the case of Wikimania and WikiConference North America, I can see a lot of overlap based on the last couple of years' schedules. This will result in what Lodewijk is concerned about: splitting the potential audience in smaller groups while they can benefit from getting in one room. Also, an already hard task of scheduling events will become even harder: For example, we need to worry about not scheduling two GLAM events at the same time, one focusing on North America and the other a general/global event.
This being said, I understand that you want to be mindful of the cost and time spent for these conferences. My suggestion would be for you to consider a 1-2 day event pre/post Wikimania focused on North America.
Best, Leila
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On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:43 AM, Lodewijk <lodewijk@effeietsanders.org > wrote:
> Hi Pine, > > Thanks for sharing your thought process. I can see why you identify > a topical overlap between Wikimania in North America and the North American > WikiConference. I also see why those topics should be part of the programme > at Wikimania - I don't expect much disagreement in that field. And whatever > you do, it will be. > > The question is, why would you want to organise it in a special > 'track' beyond a grouping of similar topics - which seems overly formal and > separatist. There's an overlap between all topics that you mention, and I > wouldn't see either why there should be a 'legal track', 'glam track' etc. > Every 'regional topic' will likely also fall under Nature, Glam, > Technology, Law, Education or one of the other topical groupings. > > Having a 'track' in a formal way, is much more heavy than grouping > topics that are related, together. To me it would suggest that 1) North > Americans can't learn from projects from elsewhere (I think the opposite is > true) and 2) Non-North Americans should not attend those presentations > (which I also think would be quite untrue). > > The question is what you're trying to accomplish. I would be a fan > of rather mingling geographies, rather than separating them out, unless you > have a strong reason to do otherwise. It makes more sense to me to have > three presentations about education grouped together where they come from > different regions, with different approaches than to have three > presentations about North America on a variety of topics grouped together. > I would find it even more odd to have a whole track dedicated to a region - > and it would be without precedent (I think). > > Best, > Lodewijk > > 2016-07-06 9:06 GMT+02:00 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com: > >> I'm fine with multiple language tracks (most likely including >> French and Spanish). >> >> The reason for a geographic track (in this case, North America) is >> that otherwise we'd be having a separate conference that served this >> purpose. I'm sure that many of us in North America will want to attend >> tracks on subjects other than geographic interest (technology, research, >> GLAM, STEM, law, education, outreach, community health, and governance come >> to mind), so there will be substantial benefit in effectively co-locating >> the conferences. My guess is that this can be done in a way that is a net >> positive for all. For example, the scholarship budget that would otherwise >> be requested for a separate WikiConference North America 2017 could instead >> be used to facilitate increased attendance by North Americans in Montreal, >> which I think would have the benefit of increasing attendance at Wikimania, >> and at the same time we would eliminate the need to find a time and venue >> for a separate conference with separate expenses. >> >> Pine >> On Jul 5, 2016 23:36, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org >> wrote: >> >>> Hey pine, >>> >>> As most people will be able to confirm, having a bigger presence >>> of regional topics is likely to happen anyway in any Wikimania. When >>> Wikimania is in Asia, you'll see more Asian speakers, and when it's in >>> Europe, more Europeans. >>> >>> Separate and successful tracks have been organised before, to the >>> best of my knowledge, in three ways: 1) language tracks - which were >>> separate for very practical reasons (translations). 2) type-of-session >>> tracks - which again are very practical (different needs for a discussion >>> than for a presentation) and 3) A thematic track - but that was often >>> organised like a type of side conference (with the US govt in 2012, with >>> WikiSym and the hackathon). >>> >>> To be honest, I don't see right away why 'North American regional >>> and local subjects' would require such track and even more why it would >>> require a special committee. It will find its way in the programme, and >>> it's not like non-Americans won't enjoy those topics per se. Why try to >>> separate it from the rest of the programme? In general I'm no big fan of >>> splitting up the programme into smaller pieces too much - it leaves too >>> much opportunity for good proposals to fall between the cracks and get >>> lost. And it gets confusing easily to the participants. >>> >>> Now I *do* see an added value for a French language track... but I >>> guess that'll be of little use to you. >>> >>> Best, >>> Lodewijk >>> >>> 2016-07-06 7:44 GMT+02:00 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com: >>> >>>> Hi Wikimania folks (Ellie and the Montreal organizers in >>>> particular), >>>> >>>> Those of us in the US have expressed a hope that WikiConference >>>> North America 2017 can be united with Wikimania 2017 in Montreal. This >>>> would likely lead to economies of scale and reduced total cost, in terms of >>>> both time and money, for what would otherwise be separate conferences. >>>> >>>> I would like to ask if WMF and the Montreal organizers would be >>>> willing and able to have some tracks at that conference dedicated to North >>>> American regional and local subjects, perhaps coordinated by a dedicated >>>> North America program committee. I foresee a modest increase in attendance >>>> at Wikimania 2017, and decreases in personal and WMF costs, if we can make >>>> what would otherwise be separate conferences happen harmoniously. >>>> >>>> Thanks, and I hope to see you in Montreal next year. >>>> >>>> Pine >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>> Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>> Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > >
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