I have updated the following page with more information, and a suggestion
that if any team/individual is interested in organizing/hosting Wikimania
in 2018 or 2019 that they get in touch with me by November 10, 2016 and
also indicate their interest on this page:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2018
Thanks, Ellie
PS Thanks to all who have already come forward. The Steering committee and
WMF will be updating status and recommendations as we go forward in the
coming month.
--
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Events Manager
Wikimedia Foundation
eyoung(a)wikimedia.org
Dear everybody,
Wikimedia Sverige is also interested in hosting Wikimania in 2019.
We cannot compete regarding the weather (even though August's weather is as
good as it gets here in the North), but in our APG application we have
briefly outline our plan to achieve a successful event through long term
capacity building.[1]
Best regards,
John
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/
2016-2017_round1/Wikimedia_Sverige/Proposal_form#3_Community
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> I will be meeting with the WMF management next week to discuss strategy,
> budget, etc for future Wikimanias. So after that I will be posting more
> information. In the meantime, as you say, we don't want people to put
> energy into detailed proposals or looking at the past structure of bids.
> I am just trying to get expressions of interest at this time, with the hope
> of making the process of hosting/organizing a much less painful experience
> for prospective people.
>
> Thanks, Ellie
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 3:28 AM, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I'm not really sure if it would be the most effective if every city that
> > has some level of interest, displays it by writing an email here. Elly,
> > could you perhaps indicate what kind of information you would like from
> > countries that show interest, to avoid the scenario that they start
> putting
> > together packages of information that are actually of no help to you at
> > this phase of consideration?
> >
> > Best,
> > Lodewijk
> >
> > ps: in your email, it seems part of the last paragraph was removed by
> > accident while editing, maybe you could check whether critical
> information
> > was supposed to be put there?
> >
> > 2016-10-17 12:23 GMT+02:00 Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Visa arent an issue everyone can get them online, except for those
> people
> >> from North Korea and currently those travelling under some UN passports
> >> due to a technical issue.
> >>
> >> We have public transport system that works its nothing flash though a
> >> definate must do experience for the adventurist people. Perth has
> lovely
> >> weather despite it being winter here in July/August you might get to
> >> experience some rain event then its bound to interrupted by sunshine
> with
> >> temperatures between 14-20 degrees Celsius though the warmer days are
> when
> >> it'll be raining. Withe sunshine will be clear skys at night so there
> will
> >> ample opportnity to view the southern night skys, short trip out side
> the
> >> city lights will let see the milkyway in all its majesty.
> >>
> >> Western Australia does have its and few other places share of sharks,
> >> spirders, snakes(not so many in winter), blue ringed octopus, box
> >> jellyfish(in winter its too cold for them as well), crocodiles but they
> >> arent normally found close to Perth. Then there are the drop bears which
> >> can be a bit sneaky during the cold months as they look for warm places
> to
> >> hide, there also the Bulyits a distant relative of the bunyip known for
> >> luring children away from the swimming holes and camp fires
> >>
> >> Kangaroos are every where even on the backs of our coins, we'll be able
> >> to find a few for those want to see them, and Perth is also home to the
> >> happiest animal on the planet the Quokka.
> >>
> >> History wise if you look at the written books we are only a couple of
> >> hundred years old, but in reality WA is home to one of the oldest
> continual
> >> cultures in the world
> >>
> >> Perth will be more than a destination, it'll be journey of adventure,
> >> into the past of a truly ancient land.
> >>
> >> so ends this tale of tourism and adventure stay tune for next weeks
> >> episode on fresh foods, wines and ales that will delight your senses
> even
> >> more
> >>
> >>
> >> On 17 October 2016 at 17:27, cs <cs(a)edubkk.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> There are very few countries that need a visa for visiting Thailand
> for
> >>> up to 15 days and the nationals of most Western countries can stay for
> 30.
> >>> This is a simple stamp in the passport on arrival although if you just
> got
> >>> off a A380 it might take you 10 minutes queuing at the immigration
> desks.
> >>> Members of ASEAN countries have even greater benefits (a bit like EU
> >>> borders - oops! Should I have said that?)
> >>>
> >>> Ultra modern mass rapid transport (overhead and subway trains) make
> >>> transfer from the airport to the centre of downtown a doddle and
> extremely
> >>> uncomplicated at not more than 20 minutes and just over a dollar or
> two for
> >>> a ride; a taxi costs only 10 dollars so 4 sharing is even cheaper than
> the
> >>> railway or the bus.
> >>> Signage everywhere in Thailand is in English, even in the tiniest rural
> >>> villages. Plenty of facilities everywhere for people of reduced
> mobility
> >>> (ramps everywhere for wheelchairs, special toilets, etc.). Most people
> >>> under 30 can speak enough English to point you in the wrong direction.
> >>>
> >>> Despite the silly reports in the Lonely Planet, BKK is
> >>> an extraordinarily safe city, no mugging, and hardly any pickpocketing.
> >>> Most petty crime is done by the foreign tourists themselves.
> >>>
> >>> Transport in town by proper air conditioned taxis or the touristy
> >>> tuk-tuks (motorcycle rickshaws for the more adventurous) costs only 2
> - 4
> >>> dollars for a ride that in a black cab in London would cost over 20
> quid.
> >>>
> >>> Road traffic in the city is dense, but not as bad as central Berlin,
> >>> London, Manhattan, Paris, or Marseille. In fact I don’t mind driving
> around
> >>> it at all. Helps to know where you are going though (but I do, and I
> know
> >>> the shortcuts through the back alleys).
> >>>
> >>> Unlike DC, Hong Kong, or Esino, a compact venue with a very short
> >>> walking distance to/from accommodation and reasonable eating places is
> >>> absolutely no problem. Everything is flat and there are no hills
> >>> (no collapsing in the street from asthma attacks like on the steep
> slopes
> >>> in the rare air of Esino Lario) Something like the government
> >>> Chulalongkorn University (Thailand’s Oxbridge) campus is right in the
> >>> middle of town and there are budget hotels up every alley.
> >>>
> >>> For those who feel they must exploit the conference for some sight
> >>> seeing, BKK is a hugely fascinating city. Even has what I believe is
> the
> >>> world’s largest shopping mall (Panthip Plaza) dedicated entirely to
> IT.
> >>> Fast river and canal boat-busses also provide a dense transportation
> >>> network in and around the city and suburbs (only 20 mins from the
> >>> backpacker ghetto (rooms from 4 quid a night) in Banglamphu district to
> >>> Siam Square, the downtown epicentre.
> >>>
> >>> Tourism speech over.
> >>>
> >>> Kudpung
> >>>
> >>> On 17Oct, 2016, at 15:15, WereSpielChequers <
> werespielchequers(a)gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Chris,
> >>>
> >>> That sounds like a really good option for 2018 or later, especially
> when
> >>> you consider how open Thailand is for visitors.
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Thailand
> >>>
> >>> Also it would be the first Wikimania in the far East for five years.
> >>>
> >>> If Bangkok traffic is as bad as its reputation, would it be possible
> to
> >>> get a compact venue with food accommodation and conference all in
> walking
> >>> distance?
> >>>
> >>> WSC
> >>>
> >>> On 17 October 2016 at 07:33, cs <cs(a)edubkk.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I am seriously interested in organising a Wikimania in Bangkok.
> >>>> The Thai Wiki does not have a functional chapter, but there is a user
> >>>> group chaired by a professor at Thailand’s major Medical College, and
> we
> >>>> have collaborated on various projects.
> >>>> With our combined knowledge we could get a team together fofr 2018 0r
> >>>> 2019 probably 2019 would be best. .
> >>>> I have experience in event management. Taweetham has lived and
> >>>> studiedfor his PhD in Australia and has attended several Wikimanias.
> I have
> >>>> lived in Thailand for nearly 20 years and was a professor at a
> government
> >>>> university in Bangkok for several years.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bangkok has an ideal geo location, it’s a very modern city with
> >>>> excellent transport and communications infrastructures. (two large
> >>>> interation airports only 20 mins from the city centre; highly
> developed
> >>>> urban rapid mass transport systems; first class Internet).
> >>>>
> >>>> Food, accommodation, and other facilities for visitors cost roughly
> one
> >>>> sixth of those in Western (USA, Canada, Australia, Europe,) or
> Westernised
> >>>> economies (HK, Singapore, etc).
> >>>>
> >>>> Chris
> >>>> (Kudpung)
> >>>>
> >>>> On 17Oct, 2016, at 07:24, Ellie Young <eyoung(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> This is a follow-up to a posting to this list by the Wikimania
> >>>> Committee in July soliciting proposals for people who might be
> interested
> >>>> in hosting a future Wikimania (especially 2018 and 2019), as follows:
> >>>>
> >>>> "
> >>>> We are now looking for proposals of teams and locations. This is not a
> >>>>
> >>>> bidding process; we are keen for this to be a light-weight, simple
> >>>> request for suggestions. You don’t need to have a venue locked down,
> >>>> contracts drafted or sponsors lined up. You can have a quick look at
> the
> >>>> “judging criteria” which were used for 2016,[2] but the key part is
> >>>> commitment. In deciding where to hold conferences, we have to take
> into
> >>>> account additional factors about potential sites such as cost,
> >>>>
> >>>> accessibility, and security.
> >>>> "
> >>>>
> >>>> I will be following up with various people who have expressed interest
> >>>> in the coming week. If anyone else is interested in discussing the
> >>>> possibilities (the team/prospective host need not be tied to a
> particular
> >>>> venue), please get in touch with me directly by October 30, 2016.
> We
> >>>> will be working with the WM
> >>>> F
> >>>> in the coming months in finalizing a venue/team for 2018, and we also
> >>>> want to get an early start at identifying potentials for the following
> >>>> year.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ellie Young
> >>>>
> >>>> WMF Events Manager
> >>>>
> >>>> eyoung(a)wikimedia.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2016_judging_criteria
> >>>>
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Hey Gnagarra,
(changing topics here as we're going on a tangent)
in an attempt to avoid/limit additional work for organizers that are
totally worn out at the end of a cycle:
- What would be your intended use for such document/journal?
- What would be the intended readership
- Would you imagine volunteering to organize such journal, even if you're
not on the organizing team? After all, anyone could collect such
information together.
Best,
Lodewijk
2016-10-22 12:06 GMT+02:00 Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com>:
> It would be nice to see past events wrapped up into one journal covering
> all aspects from original discussion until the final reporting of the event
> including financials, attendee reports and media reports at the moment
> everything is spread across chapter, foundation, event pages which means
> lessons, pitfalls, successes, the work involved over time arent where
> people can find easily
>
> On 22 October 2016 at 17:56, rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> the points lodewijk mentioned with styles, and independent user groups
>> working on it are quite valid points imo. additionally the purpose of a
>> wiki is to collaborate on a purpose. if the purpose is gone, no wiki
>> software is necessary. following that logic, one could argue to dump a past
>> wikimania wiki into a static html page is best. search could be done via
>> standard web search. if the wikis are not disturbing one could let them
>> just sit where they are.
>>
>> rupert
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The discussion has now been moved to https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>>> wiki/Wikimedia_Forum#Wikimania_wikis apparently, where it will probably
>>> also get archived not too distant in the future. I hope someone will post a
>>> link here to that archive page.
>>>
>>> Lodewijk
>>>
>>> 2016-10-22 11:07 GMT+02:00 Rehman Abubakr <rehman.wikimedia(a)live.com>:
>>>
>>>> (cross-posting to Wikimania-l and Wikimedia-l)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As earlier discussions on this topic received relatively little
>>>> response from the community, I'm sending this email to let you know about
>>>> the new topic posted at https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>>>> wiki/Meta:Babel#Wikimania_wikis, with regards to having a single
>>>> unified Wikimania wiki.
>>>>
>>>> I have copied the original post below for ease of reading. Please post
>>>> your comments on the meta page.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **********
>>>>
>>>> Hi. I was looking at Special:SiteMatrix
>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix> and couldn't help
>>>> noticing the whopping 14 separate wikis (and growing) for all the different
>>>> Wikimanias, including a separate wiki for a "Wikimania team". Is there any
>>>> current plans of a more sustainable or streamlined approach to running
>>>> these wikis?
>>>>
>>>> I am aware that this has been discussed a few times before, but no
>>>> significant effort was put into it. Wikimania project domain
>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_project_domain> is the most
>>>> significant discussion which I could find, but participation was quite low
>>>> on that, with no(?) WMF staff comments.
>>>>
>>>> From what I understand from the above linked discussion, some key
>>>> points against a unified Wikimania wiki was that:
>>>>
>>>> 1. We will not be able to preserve old Wikimania wikis as a "time
>>>> capsule"
>>>> 2. Older Wikimania organizers may face new organizers "steamrolling"
>>>> over their pages
>>>> 3. Organizers will not have complete control over the site as old
>>>> admins might interrupt for whatever reasons. (or vice versa)
>>>>
>>>> My though for these points was:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Why not have each Wikimania project branch their pages as
>>>> wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2016/Main page, or alternatively, have
>>>> separate namespaces for each project (i.e. 2016:, 2017:, etc). We could
>>>> then protect all pages under a project (i.e. 2016/ or 2016:) once a project
>>>> is over.
>>>> 2. This could be avoided by protection, as stated above.
>>>> 3. Make it much less complicated. Once the project is over, all
>>>> previous admin rights will be revoked, and the new organizers will get the
>>>> rights. New admins can be advise to not modify previous project namespaces,
>>>> or if better, if we can block previous projects' namespaces from editing?
>>>> Furthermore, there could be a bot logging all changes made to old project
>>>> namespaces, for transparency.
>>>>
>>>> Is there any other views on this? Did I miss something obvious? Looking
>>>> forward to your comments. Cheers, Rehman.
>>>>
>>>> **********
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and regards,
>>>>
>>>> User:Rehman <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rehman>
>>>>
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(cross-posting to Wikimania-l and Wikimedia-l)
Hi,
As earlier discussions on this topic received relatively little response from the community, I'm sending this email to let you know about the new topic posted at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Babel#Wikimania_wikis, with regards to having a single unified Wikimania wiki.
I have copied the original post below for ease of reading. Please post your comments on the meta page.
**********
Hi. I was looking at Special:SiteMatrix<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix> and couldn't help noticing the whopping 14 separate wikis (and growing) for all the different Wikimanias, including a separate wiki for a "Wikimania team". Is there any current plans of a more sustainable or streamlined approach to running these wikis?
I am aware that this has been discussed a few times before, but no significant effort was put into it. Wikimania project domain<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_project_domain> is the most significant discussion which I could find, but participation was quite low on that, with no(?) WMF staff comments.
>From what I understand from the above linked discussion, some key points against a unified Wikimania wiki was that:
1. We will not be able to preserve old Wikimania wikis as a "time capsule"
2. Older Wikimania organizers may face new organizers "steamrolling" over their pages
3. Organizers will not have complete control over the site as old admins might interrupt for whatever reasons. (or vice versa)
My though for these points was:
1. Why not have each Wikimania project branch their pages as wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2016/Main page, or alternatively, have separate namespaces for each project (i.e. 2016:, 2017:, etc). We could then protect all pages under a project (i.e. 2016/ or 2016:) once a project is over.
2. This could be avoided by protection, as stated above.
3. Make it much less complicated. Once the project is over, all previous admin rights will be revoked, and the new organizers will get the rights. New admins can be advise to not modify previous project namespaces, or if better, if we can block previous projects' namespaces from editing? Furthermore, there could be a bot logging all changes made to old project namespaces, for transparency.
Is there any other views on this? Did I miss something obvious? Looking forward to your comments. Cheers, Rehman.
**********
Thanks and regards,
User:Rehman<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rehman>
Hi Ellie,
(Breaking this into a separate thread)
1. Thanks for the link to the evaluation criteria (
https://meta.wikimedia.org/
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2016_judging_criteria>
wiki/Wikimania_2016_judging_
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2016_judging_criteria>criteria
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2016_judging_criteria>). Those
look like they are well developed.
2. On the topic of goals and strategy, let me be more specific about what I
think Wikimania could leverage from the Wikimedia Conference. Over the past
two years, since the hiring of the Program and Engagement Coordinator for
the Wikimedia Conference, WMCON has had extensive documentation about its
planning, goals, and evaluation. See:
1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2016
2.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2016/Documentation_and…
3.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2016/Feedback_evaluati…
4. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2016/Report
5. https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMCON_Follow-Up_Day
6.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference/Program_and_Engagement…
While extensive documentation does not automatically imply that the
conferences were successful, I believe that WMDE is making valuable efforts
toward (1) helping attendees to prepare for the conference in order to
maximize the value of the conference to them and their organizations, (2)
documenting goals for the conference, (3) documenting how well the
conference was received, (4) documenting what subsequent actions in
Wikimedia affiliates were influenced by information exchanges or
relationship developments at the conference, and (5) documenting whether
conference goals were achieved. I would hope that Wikimania could take some
inspiration from the Wikimedia Conference in these areas. I am cc'ing
Cornelius from WMDE in case he would like to add any comments.
Regarding staff support for conferences, I'm glad to hear that WMF is
providing more paid staff support for Wikimanias. I would like to see this
trend continue, both for Wikimania and for national conferences. Depending
on volunteers to exhaust themselves in order to plan and execute
conferences is a circumstance that I think we would all like to avoid.
Volunteer time is a precious resource. I am keen on achieving economies in
the WMF budget, and I am also keen on achieving movement strategic goals.
Event support, for Wikimania and regional/thematic conferences, is one of
the domains where careful additional investment of WMF resources could be
valuable, whether by adding WMF staff/contractor time or adding resources
for affiliates to hire event contractors. I hope that these factors will be
included in WMF's consideration of its future goals, strategy, and resource
commitments for Wikimania and other conferences.
Regards,
Pine
On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Ellie.
>
> On the topic of event safety, I am wondering if there is a standard
> checklist that WMF uses when narrowing potential sites for Wikimanias and
> if you could make that checklist public. Perhaps it is public already but I
> don't know where to find it.
>
This is what we were using for the past few Wikimanias. It is public.
I reference it in the recent posting as well. I will be updating this
since we are no longer doing the competitive bidding process but it does
have a lot of information and is pretty accurate.
Regarding Wikimania goals and strategy, I'd like to suggest that WMF take a
> look at what our friends in WMDE have done with the Wikimedia Conference to
> increase focus on specific topics and to make conference outcomes a bit
> clearer and more measurable.
>
WMF funds with a grant this conference and works closely with WMDE.
There was a proposal a couple of years ago to have a paid program and
events coordinator who would provide continuity year to year and liaise
with other conferences/groups. There is also paid meeting planner as well
as staff support from the WMDE itself.
> I also like that WMDE devotes significant staff support to the conference,
> which decreases the burden on volunteers; I would like to see a similar
> shift for Wikimania so the event is less dependent on heroic efforts from
> volunteers. I realize that there is financial cost involved with increased
> staff support for conferences; this is one area in which increased
> expenditure makes sense to me.
>
We started that in London and Mexico City Wikimania with my position and a
paid local coordinator (Esino Lario was an exception where the local team
received a grant and handled pretty much everything.)
> I look forward to hearing about further developments.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pine
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Hi Pax,
My understanding is that WMF is doing a strategic review of Wikimania. If
that is correct, considerations like the ones you raise about location
could be included in the scope of that review. I'm pinging Ellie with the
hope that she can provide information about the status of WMF's thinking
about Wikimania, perhaps in a new thread. Wikimania involves significant
amounts of time and money, and I am hoping that WMF will develop ways to
align Wikimania with WMF and community strategic goals.
Pine
On Oct 16, 2016 08:10, "Pax Ahimsa Gethen" <list-wikimedia(a)funcrunch.org>
wrote:
> Hello all. I had a positive experience at WikiConference North America
> last weekend, where I gave a talk on transgender issues and Wikipedia.[1]
> I'm posting because there's an active discussion in Wikipedia Weekly on
> Facebook about choosing a host country for Wikimania 2018.[2] I am
> concerned that some of the suggestions are not taking into account the
> safety of LGBT+ people; not just those attending the conference, but also
> those living in the host country.
>
> As a queer trans atheist in a same-sex marriage, there are a number of
> places where I am considered a criminal for just existing or going about my
> daily routine. This applies to some parts of the U.S. as well, by the way;
> I won't be visiting North Carolina as long as it's illegal for me to use
> the men's restroom there. Please keep these considerations in mind when
> planning meetups and conferences. Thank you.
>
> - Pax aka Funcrunch
>
> [1] http://funcrunch.org/blog/2016/10/12/making-connections-at-
> wikiconference-north-america/
>
> [2] https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/permalink/
> 1114259788621851/
>
> --
> Pax Ahimsa Gethen | http://funcrunch.org
>
>
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This is a follow-up to a posting to this list by the Wikimania Committee in
July soliciting proposals for people who might be interested in hosting a
future Wikimania (especially 2018 and 2019), as follows:
"
We are now looking for proposals of teams and locations. This is not a
bidding process; we are keen for this to be a light-weight, simple request
for suggestions. You don’t need to have a venue locked down, contracts
drafted or sponsors lined up. You can have a quick look at the “judging
criteria” which were used for 2016,[2] but the key part is commitment. In
deciding where to hold conferences, we have to take into account additional
factors about potential sites such as cost,
accessibility, and security.
"
I will be following up with various people who have expressed interest in
the coming week. If anyone else is interested in discussing the
possibilities (the team/prospective host need not be tied to a particular
venue), please get in touch with me directly by October 30, 2016. We
will be working with the WM
F
in the coming months in finalizing a venue/team for 2018, and we also want
to get an early start at identifying potentials for the following year.
Thank you,
Ellie Young
WMF Events Manager
eyoung(a)wikimedia.org
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2016_judging_criteria
I was appalled to read that there are such crazy laws against LGBT
individuals!
However I should point out that one need not be LGBT to be challenged in
terms of safety at a conference venue: I was shouted at in Malpensa airport
right after Wikimania 2016, in the presence of a WMF employee who did
nothing to stop the shouting, by a Wikimedian who should be a "role model"
for his community (given all the authorities he has been conceded); the WMF
totally backed the offender and decided that despite my feeling harassed,
hurt, intimidated and frustrated, no action need be taken.
[Needless to say I don't put up with hypocrisy and if you ever see me again
at a Wikimania or other Wikimedia event it will not be on a WMF scholarship
(I've received three). If the WMF supports such unacceptable behavior I want
nothing to do with it: I remain faithful to the movement and the movement
only, it being by the people for the people.]
Read my full report about the encounter here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:TPS/Saintfevrier/Wikimania/2016…
(also check out the last paragraph in the Grants tab)
Best of luck in your endeavors to find a safe venue for upcoming Wikimanias
and do not tolerate harassment in any form, from anyone. Keep us posted.
Best wishes,
Mina (User:Saintfevrier)
Kefalonia, Greece
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> Hi Pax,
>
> My understanding is that WMF is doing a strategic review of Wikimania. If
> that is correct, considerations like the ones you raise about location
> could be included in the scope of that review. I'm pinging Ellie with the
> hope that she can provide information about the status of WMF's thinking
> about Wikimania, perhaps in a new thread. Wikimania involves significant
> amounts of time and money, and I am hoping that WMF will develop ways to
> align Wikimania with WMF and community strategic goals.
>
> Pine
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 08:10, "Pax Ahimsa Gethen" <list-wikimedia(a)funcrunch.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all. I had a positive experience at WikiConference North America
>> last weekend, where I gave a talk on transgender issues and Wikipedia.[1]
>> I'm posting because there's an active discussion in Wikipedia Weekly on
>> Facebook about choosing a host country for Wikimania 2018.[2] I am
>> concerned that some of the suggestions are not taking into account the
>> safety of LGBT+ people; not just those attending the conference, but also
>> those living in the host country.
>>
>> As a queer trans atheist in a same-sex marriage, there are a number of
>> places where I am considered a criminal for just existing or going about
>> my
>> daily routine. This applies to some parts of the U.S. as well, by the
>> way;
>> I won't be visiting North Carolina as long as it's illegal for me to use
>> the men's restroom there. Please keep these considerations in mind when
>> planning meetups and conferences. Thank you.
>>
>> - Pax aka Funcrunch
>>
>> [1] http://funcrunch.org/blog/2016/10/12/making-connections-at-
>> wikiconference-north-america/
>>
>> [2] https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/permalink/
>> 1114259788621851/
>>
>> --
>> Pax Ahimsa Gethen | http://funcrunch.org
>>
>>
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