The Lodewijk’s proposal puts me in mind of the FOSDEM’s organisation with
semi-decentralised programs: there were "main tracks" organised by the
main organisers, and "developer rooms" organised by third-party organisers
(whose a "wikis" room organized by Quim Gil and others). See the schedule
<https://fosdem.org/2014/schedule/> for details.
I guess it could be an interesting way to organise future programs because
1) it lowers the load of the main organisation, 2) it empowers people to
manage small parts of the conference (more wiki way and more specialised
organisers), 3) it could advance submission period (more people review
only smaller parts of the program, similarly to Lodewijk’s proposal), 4)
it can more easily scale. From this point of view the proposed Discussion
Room would be an experiment of such a program organisation.
~ Seb35
Le jeudi 3 avril 2014 22:49:14 +0200, Alice Wiegand <me.lyzzy(a)gmail.com> a
écrit :
> I understand Lodewijk's idea as an option to include more substance
> discussions as a kind of addition to the speaker/audience situation we
> have
> in most sessions. And that should be worth thinking about. The larger the
> conference becomes the harder it is to find session formats that are
> different from typical conferences but better reflecting the wish to have
> discussions like those on our mailing lists. But face to face.
>
> I think it's worth a try. There is nothing risky in it. If it is not
> attractive for the attendees, the room will stay empty. If it is, we'll
> see
> vivid interaction. This is something we can't assess from our personal
> preferences.
>
> Alice.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Andrew Lih <andrew(a)andrewlih.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Lodewijk, I like the idea of discussions that are more structured and
>> well-known before the conference.
>>
>> Re: Taiwan, which open space idea were you describing that didn't work?
>> Was that the lightning talks or something else?
>>
>>
>>
>> -Andrew Lih
>> Associate professor of journalism, American University
>> Email: andrew(a)andrewlih.com
>> WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com
>> BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com
>> PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Lodewijk
>> <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Edward,
>>>
>>> sorry for the delay in responding - I was a bit overflowing with stuff
>>> that needed to happen irl. Sorry to see too that there were so few
>>> other
>>> responses at all to my questions for input (two on the talk page).
>>>
>>> In some way, my proposal is an experiment of course. This isn't meant
>>> as
>>> 'unconference' or anything as drastic, but rather as a way to offer a
>>> set
>>> of structured and facilitated discussions without fixating it too much
>>> in
>>> advance. Your suggestions go much further even than my proposal - I
>>> don't
>>> want to let it come to serendipity, I would really like to help ensure
>>> somehow that we can include the discussion topics in the program
>>> material
>>> printed - so lets make sure we communicate those deadlines with each
>>> other.
>>>
>>> I would be happy if you (or anyone) would help to populate the room
>>> with
>>> good discussion topics. However, I feel we need a dedicated space /in
>>> the
>>> program/ for this - I don't have good experiences with the open space
>>> kind
>>> of idea that was experimented with in Taipei.
>>>
>>> I hope we can make this work together!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Lodewijk
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-03-26 9:06 GMT+01:00 Edward Saperia <ed(a)wikimanialondon.org>:
>>>
>>> I am told that, historically, there's a massive rush of submissions in
>>>> the last day or two. Let's wait and see what the quality of the
>>>> submissions
>>>> is like, we may be surprised.
>>>>
>>>> I am keen to innovate in programming with this event; an unconference
>>>> track is a nod towards this, but there may be better formats, so I
>>>> will
>>>> ensure that space is carved out for some alternative programming
>>>> style.
>>>>
>>>> Otherwise, there are large open discussion areas available during the
>>>> event anyway. Traditionally the purpose of an early programme is
>>>> mostly to
>>>> promote topics of interest to encourage people to attend the
>>>> conference,
>>>> but with online discussion we could easily discuss the topics to death
>>>> between now and then, and travelling all that way just to hear it in
>>>> real
>>>> life audio seems like a bit of a waste of time.
>>>>
>>>> Then, for a live event, perhaps the value is in the serendipity of
>>>> dipping in and out of sessions and finding out about topics you
>>>> didn't know
>>>> you were interested in. Or maybe it's just in seeing faces, shaking
>>>> hands
>>>> and breaking bread.
>>>>
>>>> *Edward Saperia*
>>>> Chief Coordinator Wikimania London <http://www.wikimanialondon.org>
>>>> email <ed(a)wikimanialondon.org> •
>>>> facebook<http://www.facebook.com/edsaperia>
>>>> • twitter <http://www.twitter.com/edsaperia> • 07796955572
>>>> 133-135 Bethnal Green Road, E2 7DG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 26 March 2014 16:52, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Edward,
>>>>>
>>>>> not entirely, but it would be a step in the right direction. I'm
>>>>> volunteering to help run that process and lead the discussions on
>>>>> the day
>>>>> itself (if certain conditions can be fulfilled, which I dont expect
>>>>> to be a
>>>>> problem). But also, I'm suggesting to turn the process around a bit.
>>>>> If
>>>>> there are no proposals for discussions, lets find discussions and
>>>>> bring
>>>>> them to the table. Lets reserve a full day worth of discussions and
>>>>> just
>>>>> make sure we find the discussions worth it :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for thinking along!
>>>>>
>>>>> Lodewijk
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2014-03-26 8:44 GMT+01:00 Edward Saperia <ed(a)wikimanialondon.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The programme submissions process we're using is one that we
>>>>>> inherited
>>>>>> from previous Wikimanias, but given that this event is not
>>>>>> considered a
>>>>>> formal, research-led event, and also frankly the rate of change of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> world, having people submit sessions six months in advance seems
>>>>>> surprising.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lodewijks, I interpret your submission as basically a plea to run a
>>>>>> submission process again but closer to the conference date. Would
>>>>>> you agree
>>>>>> that this is the core of your proposal?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Edward Saperia*
>>>>>> Chief Coordinator Wikimania London <http://www.wikimanialondon.org>
>>>>>> email <ed(a)wikimanialondon.org> •
>>>>>> facebook<http://www.facebook.com/edsaperia>
>>>>>> • twitter <http://www.twitter.com/edsaperia> • 07796955572
>>>>>> 133-135 Bethnal Green Road, E2 7DG
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26 March 2014 16:27, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with the submission deadline approaching, I wasn't able to find
>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>> discussion proposals (not counting panel discussions) where the
>>>>>>> audience is
>>>>>>> the main participant, and there is no particular speaker or
>>>>>>> expert. In a
>>>>>>> wiki-conference, that is always a surprise to me. I recall from
>>>>>>> past years
>>>>>>> it was always particularly hard to find people who are interested
>>>>>>> enough in
>>>>>>> a topic, expert enough, willing to lead a discussion, certain to
>>>>>>> visit
>>>>>>> Wikimania and able to think of it months in advance all at the
>>>>>>> same time -
>>>>>>> in other words: people who could propose a discussion session.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So on Wikimedia, we say then: so fix it. Well, that is what I tried
>>>>>>> with an unconventional proposal: reserve a room for a full day,
>>>>>>> give me
>>>>>>> some flexibility and help, and together with a co-discussion
>>>>>>> facilitator I
>>>>>>> would be happy to volunteer to organize a full day of discussions
>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>> community topics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would really like your input on this idea. You can find the
>>>>>>> proposal on
>>>>>>> https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Discussion_Room.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Especially input would be welcome on:
>>>>>>> * Suggestions on more/better good example discussion topics
>>>>>>> * Suggestions how to organize this consultation
>>>>>>> * Suggestions on the discussion format
>>>>>>> * Whether this should be one full day, or two half days
>>>>>>> * Who would be a good second discussion facilitator :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looking forward to your thoughts,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lodewijk
Hi,
with the submission deadline approaching, I wasn't able to find many
discussion proposals (not counting panel discussions) where the audience is
the main participant, and there is no particular speaker or expert. In a
wiki-conference, that is always a surprise to me. I recall from past years
it was always particularly hard to find people who are interested enough in
a topic, expert enough, willing to lead a discussion, certain to visit
Wikimania and able to think of it months in advance all at the same time -
in other words: people who could propose a discussion session.
So on Wikimedia, we say then: so fix it. Well, that is what I tried with an
unconventional proposal: reserve a room for a full day, give me some
flexibility and help, and together with a co-discussion facilitator I would
be happy to volunteer to organize a full day of discussions around
community topics.
I would really like your input on this idea. You can find the proposal on
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Discussion_Room .
Especially input would be welcome on:
* Suggestions on more/better good example discussion topics
* Suggestions how to organize this consultation
* Suggestions on the discussion format
* Whether this should be one full day, or two half days
* Who would be a good second discussion facilitator :)
Looking forward to your thoughts,
Lodewijk
Hi,
I know it may be too early to ask that, but I promise to send another
notification related this issue in the coming months :)
We started last year to make the Wikimania costs more transparent.
Wikimania is our biggest and the most expensive project. To ask our self
"how much Wikimania costs" we can't only look on the project budget, as the
total cost involve also scholarships (from WMF and chapters)
and delegations of the chapters and the WMF.
We have tracking pages on Meta about Wikimania
2011<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2011/Budget>and
Wikimania
2012 <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2012/Budget> (sadly the
organizer team of 2012 didn't updated their costs till now...), and I
opened a new page for Wikimania
2013<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013/Budget>
.
So again, I know to some of you this is too early to put the costs
(although the size of the chapters and WMF delegation is known and could be
update also now) - but if you can, do it now. If now, remember to do it
what you have the numbers.
The data requested is your chapter\wmf
delegation<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013/Budget#Delegations>
and
the number of scholarships<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/Scholarships/2013>your
chapters gave.
Thanks,
Itzik