I find to have identified in a pair of templates a clear and present danger to the consensus-building principle on which our wiki rests: Template:Discussion top and Template:Discussion bottom.
These are being utilized to stifle and suppress free exchange of opinions when they sometimes are being applied to cut off what is being vicariously painted by one party as unconstructive/ridiculous/disruptive/pointless/time-wasting/take your pick, discussions.
We have other, appropriate, means to deal with "trolling" and genuinely disruptive contributions. This pair of templates makes it way too easy to put us all on a track which fundamentally and possibly irreversibly, compromises the consensus-building process.
I have thus nominated the pair of template for deletion. Opinions on this are particularly welcomed on the Templates for discussion page.
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On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Halvor a22112216@yahoo.com wrote:
I find to have identified in a pair of templates a clear and present danger to the consensus-building principle on which our wiki rests: Template:Discussion top and Template:Discussion bottom.
These are being utilized to stifle and suppress free exchange of opinions when they sometimes are being applied to cut off what is being vicariously painted by one party as unconstructive/ridiculous/disruptive/pointless/time-wasting/take your pick, discussions.
We have other, appropriate, means to deal with "trolling" and genuinely disruptive contributions. This pair of templates makes it way too easy to put us all on a track which fundamentally and possibly irreversibly, compromises the consensus-building process.
I have thus nominated the pair of template for deletion. Opinions on this are particularly welcomed on the Templates for discussion page.
Halvor (meco)
They are pretty disruptive templates I've found, often used to silence a discussion. You haven't actually nominated either template though, and any TFD discussion would (ironically) end in speedy keep, because closing discussions early is what a lot of people like doing.
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com wrote:
They are pretty disruptive templates I've found, often used to silence a discussion. You haven't actually nominated either template though, and any TFD discussion would (ironically) end in speedy keep, because closing discussions early is what a lot of people like doing.
They have their uses on noticeboards for "resolved" issues but they should rarely be used in any of the talk namespaces. One of the exceptions to this would be for those on the Barack Obama talk page who won't stop beating the citizenship horse. However, using it for something that hasn't been discussed numerous times in the recent past is the same as saying STFU.
Maybe you should point out some examples. The archive process I know is something I regard as pointless, because it is in the history. Why not just link to the revision before deleting large portions of discussions that seem to be closed? I am not familiar with how noticeboards are maintained. I am familiar with how long the helpdesk page becomes.
"Halvor" a22112216@yahoo.com wrote in message news:923456.86827.qm@web46307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com...
I find to have identified in a pair of templates a clear and present danger to the consensus-building principle on which our wiki rests: Template:Discussion top and Template:Discussion bottom.
These are being utilized to stifle and suppress free exchange of opinions when they sometimes are being applied to cut off what is being vicariously painted by one party as unconstructive/ridiculous/disruptive/pointless/time-wasting/take your pick, discussions.
We have other, appropriate, means to deal with "trolling" and genuinely disruptive contributions. This pair of templates makes it way too easy to put us all on a track which fundamentally and possibly irreversibly, compromises the consensus-building process.
I have thus nominated the pair of template for deletion. Opinions on this are particularly welcomed on the Templates for discussion page.
Halvor (meco)
all communication to and from this person will be subject to public availability
public password: 17stovner
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