I would like to request the following page be deleted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matt_Crypto/list. It seems to be a list of things I have created. It was created on 12:23, 2005 Apr 19 post dates the arbcomm case. I find Matt Crypto's interest in me worrying. Yours
John Bradley
Loc: Flat 15/22 Gambier Terrace, Liverpool, L1 7BL, UK. Phone: +44 (0)151 708 7238 Email: john@ontobus.co.uk WWW: www.ontobus.co.uk
Have you asked Matt?
On 4/24/05, John Bradley john@ontobus.co.uk wrote:
I would like to request the following page be deleted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matt_Crypto/list. It seems to be a list of things I have created. It was created on 12:23, 2005 Apr 19 post dates the arbcomm case. I find Matt Crypto's interest in me worrying. Yours
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No and I don't intend to. I have to put up with enough crap already.
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Have you asked Matt?
On 4/24/05, John Bradley john@ontobus.co.uk wrote:
I would like to request the following page be deleted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matt_Crypto/list. It seems to be a list of things I have created. It was created on 12:23, 2005 Apr 19 post dates the arbcomm case. I find Matt Crypto's interest in me worrying. Yours
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John Bradley
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It is his User Area. He isn't violating any rules, so he can keep it if he so desires.
You should contact Matt Crypto, I don't see any reason for it to be deleted by admins as it is his property. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bradley" john@ontobus.co.uk To: "MacGyverMagic/Mgm" macgyvermagic@gmail.com; "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Page delete request.
No and I don't intend to. I have to put up with enough crap already.
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Have you asked Matt?
On 4/24/05, John Bradley john@ontobus.co.uk wrote:
I would like to request the following page be deleted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matt_Crypto/list. It seems to be a
list of
things I have created. It was created on 12:23, 2005 Apr 19 post dates
the
arbcomm case. I find Matt Crypto's interest in me worrying. Yours
John BradleyLoc: Flat 15/22 Gambier Terrace, Liverpool, L1 7BL, UK. Phone: +44 (0)151 708 7238 Email: john@ontobus.co.uk WWW: www.ontobus.co.uk
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Yours
John Bradley
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He is stalking. I have been nformed that keepingtrack of users is bad form, atleast if I do it.
As far as I am concerned it is an attack on me.
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It is his User Area. He isn't violating any rules, so he can keep it if he so desires.
You should contact Matt Crypto, I don't see any reason for it to be deleted by admins as it is his property. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bradley" john@ontobus.co.uk To: "MacGyverMagic/Mgm" macgyvermagic@gmail.com; "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Page delete request.
No and I don't intend to. I have to put up with enough crap already.
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Have you asked Matt?
On 4/24/05, John Bradley john@ontobus.co.uk wrote:
I would like to request the following page be deleted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matt_Crypto/list. It seems to be a
list of
things I have created. It was created on 12:23, 2005 Apr 19 post dates
the
arbcomm case. I find Matt Crypto's interest in me worrying. Yours
John BradleyLoc: Flat 15/22 Gambier Terrace, Liverpool, L1 7BL, UK. Phone: +44 (0)151 708 7238 Email: john@ontobus.co.uk WWW: www.ontobus.co.uk
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Yours
John Bradley
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John Bradley
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John Bradley wrote
He is stalking. I have been nformed that keepingtrack of users is bad form, atleast if I do it.
I think you're confusing two things: an open watchlist, and what would be a deprecated use of it, namely following someone around the site.
I think you're also confusing the right of appeal to this list for unblocking, which often enough gets a sympathetic response, with bringing up grievances in a way that is not going to win any friends.
Charles
It is you that is confused.
As I am banned from editing Wikipedia I have no choice but to complain here.
I am not interested in being the firend of anyone here, it is simply try to get you to act in a manner which shows the slightest hint of integrity.
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John Bradley wrote
He is stalking. I have been nformed that keepingtrack of users is bad form, atleast if I do it.
I think you're confusing two things: an open watchlist, and what would be a deprecated use of it, namely following someone around the site.
I think you're also confusing the right of appeal to this list for unblocking, which often enough gets a sympathetic response, with bringing up grievances in a way that is not going to win any friends.
Charles
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Yours
John Bradley
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Since you are banned, the list of articles can be used to see if anyone is editting on your behalf, and can be used as evidence of attempts to circumvent the arbcom. Not that that has been done, but it is a possible valid use for such a list.
On 4/24/05, John Bradley john@ontobus.co.uk wrote:
It is you that is confused.
As I am banned from editing Wikipedia I have no choice but to complain here.
I am not interested in being the firend of anyone here, it is simply try to get you to act in a manner which shows the slightest hint of integrity.
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John Bradley wrote
He is stalking. I have been nformed that keepingtrack of users is bad form, atleast if I do it.
I think you're confusing two things: an open watchlist, and what would
be a
deprecated use of it, namely following someone around the site.
I think you're also confusing the right of appeal to this list for unblocking, which often enough gets a sympathetic response, with
bringing up
grievances in a way that is not going to win any friends.
Charles
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Yours
John Bradley
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John Bradley (john@ontobus.co.uk) [050424 23:50]:
I am not interested in being the firend of anyone here, it is simply try to get you to act in a manner which shows the slightest hint of integrity.
We have integrity. You lack perception or the faintest self-insight.
You keep randomly harassing me on IRC with "yu owe me explnation". You've had explanations aplenty and you just don't take them in. You seem incapable of understanding that you are banned from editing because of your own actions. Until you understand that, there's no hope for you on Wikipedia.
- d.
You will produce those answers and explanations then wont you. Without any delay. You can produce logs of the IRC talk and you can provide copies of the emails that you sent.
It is typical that all you do is claim to have answered but you never actually have. Eventually people will notice that whilst you claim to have made replies, you never actaully have. You dishonesty will become apparent.
My insight into my self and the world, is usually regarded by those in a position to asses these things objectively, as being very good and very accurate. I do have the odd personal flaw like impatients, not suffereing fools gladly and intolerance of the dishonest. I believe this may effect my relationship with a lot of wikipedians.
I note you still haven't provided any data to back up your claim that being nice to idiots is overall benifical to wikipedia.
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John Bradley (john@ontobus.co.uk) [050424 23:50]:
I am not interested in being the firend of anyone here, it is simply try to get you to act in a manner which shows the slightest hint of integrity.
We have integrity. You lack perception or the faintest self-insight.
You keep randomly harassing me on IRC with "yu owe me explnation". You've had explanations aplenty and you just don't take them in. You seem incapable of understanding that you are banned from editing because of your own actions. Until you understand that, there's no hope for you on Wikipedia.
- d.
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Yours
John Bradley
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Matt Crypto owns that page. He is the only one who will delete it.
You don't have to put up with crap. You have choices.
John Bradley stated for the record:
No and I don't intend to. I have to put up with enough crap already.
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Have you asked Matt?
On 4/24/05, John Bradley john@ontobus.co.uk wrote:
I would like to request the following page be deleted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matt_Crypto/list. It seems to be a list of things I have created. It was created on 12:23, 2005 Apr 19 post dates the arbcomm case. I find Matt Crypto's interest in me worrying. Yours
John BradleyLoc: Flat 15/22 Gambier Terrace, Liverpool, L1 7BL, UK. Phone: +44 (0)151 708 7238 Email: john@ontobus.co.uk WWW: www.ontobus.co.uk
Then how to I get it removed.
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Matt Crypto owns that page. He is the only one who will delete it.
You don't have to put up with crap. You have choices.
John Bradley stated for the record:
No and I don't intend to. I have to put up with enough crap already.
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Have you asked Matt?
On 4/24/05, John Bradley john@ontobus.co.uk wrote:
I would like to request the following page be deleted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matt_Crypto/list. It seems to be a list of things I have created. It was created on 12:23, 2005 Apr 19 post dates the arbcomm case. I find Matt Crypto's interest in me worrying. Yours
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Yours
John Bradley
Loc: Flat 15/22 Gambier Terrace, Liverpool, L1 7BL, UK. Phone: +44 (0)151 708 7238 Email: john@ontobus.co.uk WWW: www.ontobus.co.uk
Matt Crypto owns that page. He is the only one who will delete it.
John Bradley stated for the record:
Then how to I get it removed.
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Matt Crypto owns that page. He is the only one who will delete it.
You don't have to put up with crap. You have choices.
John Bradley stated for the record:
No and I don't intend to. I have to put up with enough crap already.
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Have you asked Matt?
On 4/24/05, John Bradley john@ontobus.co.uk wrote:
I would like to request the following page be deleted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matt_Crypto/list. It seems to be a list of things I have created. It was created on 12:23, 2005 Apr 19 post dates the arbcomm case. I find Matt Crypto's interest in me worrying. Yours
John BradleyLoc: Flat 15/22 Gambier Terrace, Liverpool, L1 7BL, UK. Phone: +44 (0)151 708 7238 Email: john@ontobus.co.uk WWW: www.ontobus.co.uk
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Yours John BradleyLoc: Flat 15/22 Gambier Terrace, Liverpool, L1 7BL, UK. Phone: +44 (0)151 708 7238 Email: john@ontobus.co.uk WWW: www.ontobus.co.uk
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So in other words I do have to put up with it.
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Matt Crypto owns that page. He is the only one who will delete it.
John Bradley stated for the record:
Then how to I get it removed.
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Matt Crypto owns that page. He is the only one who will delete it.
You don't have to put up with crap. You have choices.
John Bradley stated for the record:
No and I don't intend to. I have to put up with enough crap already.
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Have you asked Matt?
On 4/24/05, John Bradley john@ontobus.co.uk wrote:
I would like to request the following page be deleted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matt_Crypto/list. It seems to be a list of things I have created. It was created on 12:23, 2005 Apr 19 post dates the arbcomm case. I find Matt Crypto's interest in me worrying. Yours
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Yours
John Bradley
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I assumed you had free will. (Silly of me, I know, but I like to think the best of people until they prove me wrong.) Are options like contacting Matt Crypto, actually becoming a part of the Wikipedia community instead of quixotically fighting it, or going way and finding something else to do with your life utterly beyond the realm of possibility?
John Bradley stated for the record:
So in other words I do have to put up with it.
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Matt Crypto owns that page. He is the only one who will delete it.
John Bradley stated for the record:
Then how to I get it removed.
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Matt Crypto owns that page. He is the only one who will delete it.
You don't have to put up with crap. You have choices.
John Bradley stated for the record:
No and I don't intend to. I have to put up with enough crap already.
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Have you asked Matt?
On 4/24/05, John Bradley john@ontobus.co.uk wrote:
>I would like to request the following page be deleted >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matt_Crypto/list. It seems to be a list of >things I have created. It was created on 12:23, 2005 Apr 19 post dates the >arbcomm case. I find Matt Crypto's interest in me worrying.
Free will and being able to control you sub conscious and it's needs are not the same thing at all.
The idea of lowering myself to the level of the average wikipedian is not appealing. That most of them don't appear to be hear for Wikipedias stated aims but for some other aims. I do not wish to join the "Wikipedia community", I wish to help produce an encyclopedia, and seeing as one of the most annoying features of wikipedians is their tendrncy to claim to speak for everyone in the community when try to brow beat. I have no intention of bolstering the numbers they can claim to command/speak for.
The idea of losing my integrity and taking part in a ritual is unpleasant, and as far as I can tell that's what this is.
I find talk to Matt very difficult as he seems to forget everything from email to the next.
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I assumed you had free will. (Silly of me, I know, but I like to think the best of people until they prove me wrong.) Are options like contacting Matt Crypto, actually becoming a part of the Wikipedia community instead of quixotically fighting it, or going way and finding something else to do with your life utterly beyond the realm of possibility?
John Bradley stated for the record:
So in other words I do have to put up with it.
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Matt Crypto owns that page. He is the only one who will delete it.
John Bradley stated for the record:
Then how to I get it removed.
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Matt Crypto owns that page. He is the only one who will delete it.
You don't have to put up with crap. You have choices.
John Bradley stated for the record:
No and I don't intend to. I have to put up with enough crap already.
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>Have you asked Matt? > >On 4/24/05, John Bradley john@ontobus.co.uk wrote: > > > >>I would like to request the following page be deleted >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matt_Crypto/list. It seems to be a list of >>things I have created. It was created on 12:23, 2005 Apr 19 post dates the >>arbcomm case. I find Matt Crypto's interest in me worrying.
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I'm sorry but I have no option but to give you the Comedy Gold award for this latest one, particularly "The idea of lowering myself to the level of the average wikipedian is not appealing."
It can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Comedy_gold.png
Would you like me to place it on your user/talk page?
On 4/24/05, John Bradley john@ontobus.co.uk wrote:
Free will and being able to control you sub conscious and it's needs are not the same thing at all.
The idea of lowering myself to the level of the average wikipedian is not appealing. That most of them don't appear to be hear for Wikipedias stated aims but for some other aims. I do not wish to join the "Wikipedia community", I wish to help produce an encyclopedia, and seeing as one of the most annoying features of wikipedians is their tendrncy to claim to speak for everyone in the community when try to brow beat. I have no intention of bolstering the numbers they can claim to command/speak for.
The idea of losing my integrity and taking part in a ritual is unpleasant, and as far as I can tell that's what this is.
I find talk to Matt very difficult as he seems to forget everything from email to the next.
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I assumed you had free will. (Silly of me, I know, but I like to think the best of people until they prove me wrong.) Are options like contacting Matt Crypto, actually becoming a part of the Wikipedia community instead of quixotically fighting it, or going way and finding something else to do with your life utterly beyond the realm of possibility?
John Bradley stated for the record:
So in other words I do have to put up with it.
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Matt Crypto owns that page. He is the only one who will delete it.
John Bradley stated for the record:
Then how to I get it removed.
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Matt Crypto owns that page. He is the only one who will delete it.
You don't have to put up with crap. You have choices.
John Bradley stated for the record:
>No and I don't intend to. I have to put up with enough crap already. > > >Date sent: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:09:49 +0200 >From: MacGyverMagic/Mgm macgyvermagic@gmail.com >To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org >Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Page delete request. >Copies to: Send reply to: MacGyverMagic/Mgm macgyvermagic@gmail.com, > English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org > mailto:wikien-l-request@Wikipedia.org?subject=unsubscribe > mailto:wikien-l-request@Wikipedia.org?subject=subscribe > >>Have you asked Matt? >> >>On 4/24/05, John Bradley john@ontobus.co.uk wrote: >> >> >> >>>I would like to request the following page be deleted >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matt_Crypto/list. It seems to be a list of >>>things I have created. It was created on 12:23, 2005 Apr 19 post dates the >>>arbcomm case. I find Matt Crypto's interest in me worrying.
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What a surprise to find VileTriga continuing her attacks. Having made spurious claims of 3RR etc. Yours
John Bradley
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What a surprise to find you continuing your attacks. Incase you are incapable of reading, the user is called Violet/Riga, I believe.
I'm wondering why you haven't been removed from the mailing list, because your whinging is increasingly annoying. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bradley" john@ontobus.co.uk To: "Violet/Riga" violetriga@gmail.com; "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Page delete request.
What a surprise to find VileTriga continuing her attacks. Having made spurious claims of 3RR etc. Yours
John Bradley
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I note you took the personal attacks out of order, in fact you haven't actually dealt with the first.
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What a surprise to find you continuing your attacks. Incase you are incapable of reading, the user is called Violet/Riga, I believe.
I'm wondering why you haven't been removed from the mailing list, because your whinging is increasingly annoying. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bradley" john@ontobus.co.uk To: "Violet/Riga" violetriga@gmail.com; "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Page delete request.
What a surprise to find VileTriga continuing her attacks. Having made spurious claims of 3RR etc. Yours
John Bradley
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Who mentioned the arb comm committee. Oh yes a member of the Arbcomm committee.
I'll contact you when ever I want. I have in the past tried to stop various people contacting me, but of course they didn't bother, I don't see why I should.
As it is you that have chosen to interfere with my life.
I note thet you haven't produced any of your alledged commuications with me, or anuthing else.
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John Bradley (john@ontobus.co.uk) [050425 01:42]:
I note you took the personal attacks out of order, in fact you haven't actually dealt with the first.
If you don't like an Arbitration Committee decision, your line of appeal is to Jimbo. Don't contact me again.
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You claim that you wish to help produce an encyclopedia, yet wish to avoid joining our community. These are mutually exclusive wishes, at least if Wikipedia is the encyclopedia you wish to help produce.
We will not allow you to fulfill both at the same time.
John Bradley stated for the record:
Free will and being able to control you sub conscious and it's needs are not the same thing at all.
The idea of lowering myself to the level of the average wikipedian is not appealing. That most of them don't appear to be hear for Wikipedias stated aims but for some other aims. I do not wish to join the "Wikipedia community", I wish to help produce an encyclopedia, and seeing as one of the most annoying features of wikipedians is their tendrncy to claim to speak for everyone in the community when try to brow beat. I have no intention of bolstering the numbers they can claim to command/speak for.
The idea of losing my integrity and taking part in a ritual is unpleasant, and as far as I can tell that's what this is.
I find talk to Matt very difficult as he seems to forget everything from email to the next.
They aren't incompatible in the real world.
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You claim that you wish to help produce an encyclopedia, yet wish to avoid joining our community. These are mutually exclusive wishes, at least if Wikipedia is the encyclopedia you wish to help produce.
We will not allow you to fulfill both at the same time.
John Bradley stated for the record:
Free will and being able to control you sub conscious and it's needs are not the same thing at all.
The idea of lowering myself to the level of the average wikipedian is not appealing. That most of them don't appear to be hear for Wikipedias stated aims but for some other aims. I do not wish to join the "Wikipedia community", I wish to help produce an encyclopedia, and seeing as one of the most annoying features of wikipedians is their tendrncy to claim to speak for everyone in the community when try to brow beat. I have no intention of bolstering the numbers they can claim to command/speak for.
The idea of losing my integrity and taking part in a ritual is unpleasant, and as far as I can tell that's what this is.
I find talk to Matt very difficult as he seems to forget everything from email to the next.
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On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 06:47:53PM +0100, John Bradley wrote:
[in reference to helping produce Wikipedia and avoiding joining the "community" being mutually exclusive]
They aren't incompatible in the real world.
Actually . . . considering that being a regular editor of Wikipedia pretty much makes you a community member (albeit, in your case, a cantankerous, contentious, antisocial community member), I'm inclined to disagree with you.
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In which case I am already a fully fledgeed member of the community, but as various people seem to think I am not a member, they must have different criterea. Perhaps you can tell me what they are.
I am not antisocial, I just don't want to talk to some of the unpleasant people on here.
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On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 06:47:53PM +0100, John Bradley wrote:
[in reference to helping produce Wikipedia and avoiding joining the "community" being mutually exclusive]
They aren't incompatible in the real world.
Actually . . . considering that being a regular editor of Wikipedia pretty much makes you a community member (albeit, in your case, a cantankerous, contentious, antisocial community member), I'm inclined to disagree with you.
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When I have achieved what I want I may do that, but while you still continue to act as the unpleasant manipulative person you are I feel required to stay, to provide a counterpoint of honest to the likes of you.
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I am not antisocial, I just don't want to talk to some of the unpleasant people on here.
Might I suggest unsubscribing then?
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Still on the subject of free will: "I feel required to stay" -- despite being banned.
John Bradley stated for the record:
When I have achieved what I want I may do that, but while you still continue to act as the unpleasant manipulative person you are I feel required to stay, to provide a counterpoint of honest to the likes of you.
On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 06:59:26PM +0100, Violet/Riga wrote:
I am not antisocial, I just don't want to talk to some of the unpleasant people on here.
Might I suggest unsubscribing then?
Certainly, the conflict between his claimed distaste for interacting with [us/them] and his continued posting to this list does puzzle me. This is especially the case considering the fact that the complaint that originally brought him to this list seems to consist of "I don't like the fact that someone is reading what I'm writing in a public venue, and I'm unwilling to ask him/her to stop. I'd really like someone else to stop him/her for me. In the meantime, I'm going to do my level best to insult the people of whom I request assistance."
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Note the manipulative use of language by Chad. Note that he expand my comments to cover everyone on the list. Note his misrepresentation of my POV.
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On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 06:59:26PM +0100, Violet/Riga wrote:
I am not antisocial, I just don't want to talk to some of the unpleasant people on here.
Might I suggest unsubscribing then?
Certainly, the conflict between his claimed distaste for interacting with [us/them] and his continued posting to this list does puzzle me. This is especially the case considering the fact that the complaint that originally brought him to this list seems to consist of "I don't like the fact that someone is reading what I'm writing in a public venue, and I'm unwilling to ask him/her to stop. I'd really like someone else to stop him/her for me. In the meantime, I'm going to do my level best to insult the people of whom I request assistance."
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On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 07:12:19PM +0100, John Bradley wrote:
Note the manipulative use of language by Chad. Note that he expand my comments to cover everyone on the list. Note his misrepresentation of my POV.
Note your ongoing attempt to alienate everyone.
If something was misrepresented, it was by accident. Perhaps you would find it more productive to educate people in their errors, rather than to simply accuse them of being malicious.
By the way, playing the "victim card" tends to reduce sympathy in one's position rather than increase it, at least among people whose sympathy is worth anything.
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I am against what I do being singled out. The information will be available under the User Contributions list anyway.
If I was trying for victimhood, I'd be a lot quieter.
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On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 07:12:19PM +0100, John Bradley wrote:
Note the manipulative use of language by Chad. Note that he expand my comments to cover everyone on the list. Note his misrepresentation of my POV.
Note your ongoing attempt to alienate everyone.
If something was misrepresented, it was by accident. Perhaps you would find it more productive to educate people in their errors, rather than to simply accuse them of being malicious.
By the way, playing the "victim card" tends to reduce sympathy in one's position rather than increase it, at least among people whose sympathy is worth anything.
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On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 09:09:03PM +0100, John Bradley wrote:
I am against what I do being singled out. The information will be available under the User Contributions list anyway.
Am I simply not understanding what the heck you're talking about, or is this a complete nonsequitur within the context of a reply to the email of mine that you quoted in your reply?
If I was trying for victimhood, I'd be a lot quieter.
Something tells me you missed the point.
I referred to "playing the victim card", not "being a victim". The former involves making yourself appear to be a victim with the intent of affecting the perceptions of others, typically for purposes of garnering sympathy and/or supporting your opinion of yourself as the "better man". The latter involves actually having something done to you. I did not suggest that you wanted to be a victim: rather, I suggested that you wanted people to think you were being mistreated and made exaggerative statements designed to foster that impression.
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I am against what I do being singled out. The information will be available under the User Contributions list anyway.
If I was trying for victimhood, I'd be a lot quieter.
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On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 07:12:19PM +0100, John Bradley wrote:
Note the manipulative use of language by Chad. Note that he expand my comments to cover everyone on the list. Note his misrepresentation of my POV.
Note your ongoing attempt to alienate everyone.
If something was misrepresented, it was by accident. Perhaps you would find it more productive to educate people in their errors, rather than to simply accuse them of being malicious.
By the way, playing the "victim card" tends to reduce sympathy in one's position rather than increase it, at least among people whose sympathy is worth anything.
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I agree with Violet/Riga. While you are banned from editing Wikipedia you don't have any reason to be on this list but to ultimately annoy people. As David Gerard said earlier, your only line of contact now should be Jimbo, and the mailing list doesn't just go to Jimbo, but everyone else who has subscribed to discuss issues other than.. Well, whatever your whinging about at present. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Violet/Riga" violetriga@gmail.com To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@wikipedia.org Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Page delete request.
I am not antisocial, I just don't want to talk to some of the unpleasant
people
on here.
Might I suggest unsubscribing then?
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On the contrary, I have every reason to be here on this list. to deal with dishonest people like Violet and Matt. It is others on this system who have no reason to be here, as they are not interested in producing an encyclopedia but a social club for the inadequate.
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I agree with Violet/Riga. While you are banned from editing Wikipedia you don't have any reason to be on this list but to ultimately annoy people. As David Gerard said earlier, your only line of contact now should be Jimbo, and the mailing list doesn't just go to Jimbo, but everyone else who has subscribed to discuss issues other than.. Well, whatever your whinging about at present. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Violet/Riga" violetriga@gmail.com To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@wikipedia.org Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Page delete request.
I am not antisocial, I just don't want to talk to some of the unpleasant
people
on here.
Might I suggest unsubscribing then?
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On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 07:08:58PM +0100, John Bradley wrote:
On the contrary, I have every reason to be here on this list. to deal with dishonest people like Violet and Matt. It is others on this system who have no reason to be here, as they are not interested in producing an encyclopedia but a social club for the inadequate.
I thought you said you wanted to avoid community involvement so that you wouldn't have to "deal with" such people.
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I don't count defending myself as involvment the kind of involment in the community that is being talked about.
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On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 07:08:58PM +0100, John Bradley wrote:
On the contrary, I have every reason to be here on this list. to deal with dishonest people like Violet and Matt. It is others on this system who have no reason to be here, as they are not interested in producing an encyclopedia but a social club for the inadequate.
I thought you said you wanted to avoid community involvement so that you wouldn't have to "deal with" such people.
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On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 09:01:29PM +0100, John Bradley wrote:
I don't count defending myself as involvment the kind of involment in the community that is being talked about.
From what, precisely, are you defending yourself? If you hadn't
involved yourself in mailing list discussion in the first place, you would never have come up in the minds of those of us who are not those from whom you seem to want to defend yourself.
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I don't count defending myself as involvment the kind of involment in the community that is being talked about.
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On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 07:08:58PM +0100, John Bradley wrote:
On the contrary, I have every reason to be here on this list. to deal with dishonest people like Violet and Matt. It is others on this system who have no reason to be here, as they are not interested in producing an encyclopedia but a social club for the inadequate.
I thought you said you wanted to avoid community involvement so that you wouldn't have to "deal with" such people.
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Yours
John Bradley
Loc: Flat 15/22 Gambier Terrace, Liverpool, L1 7BL, UK. Phone: +44 (0)151 708 7238 Email: john@ontobus.co.uk WWW: www.ontobus.co.uk
So to recap, an ArbCom member has launched personal attacks against a user he ruled on and told them to essentially fuck off if they don't like it; another has called the user illiterate; another has taken it upon himself to say that the community "will not allow you". No matter how frustrating they may find this person, how is this helpful to the community?
On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 04:03:25PM +0100, John Bradley wrote:
Free will and being able to control you sub conscious and it's needs are not the same thing at all.
The idea of lowering myself to the level of the average wikipedian is not appealing. That most of them don't appear to be hear for Wikipedias stated aims but for some other aims. I do not wish to join the "Wikipedia community", I wish to help produce an encyclopedia, and seeing as one of the most annoying features of wikipedians is their tendrncy to claim to speak for everyone in the community when try to brow beat. I have no intention of bolstering the numbers they can claim to command/speak for.
If someone claims to speak for "the Wikipedia community", that is that person's failing, not yours. Clearly, nobody speaks for every single individual person that makes up the "community". You are, however, already effectively a member of that "community" by virtue of the fact that you make edits to articles in Wikipedia and complain on the mailing list about perceived slights. It looks like whatever your problem is with interacting with other people, you've failed in avoiding it.
You'll capture more flies with honey than vinegar. If you simply A) politely bring your complaint to the attention of the person whose behavior you dislike and B) assume good faith for first assessments of the reasons for behavior, you'll get a lot farther toward getting "your way", and will get there much faster. You should realize, though, that this doesn't mean that everyone in the world will automatically adopt your wishes as his or her life purpose. Sometimes, people do things entirely for their own reasons and are unwilling to change that behavior just because someone else dislikes it. Sometimes, you'll just have to accept the fact that other people have as much a right to control their own lives as you do yours.
I haven't read the page(s) in question, but from what I've seen here in the mailing list it looks like someone's just keeping track of the edits of certain Wikipedians (defined here as "those who are repeat-editors with identifiable identities") for no malicious purpose. Despite that, it seems, you object. Considering that your actions in editing Wikipedia are public, it's difficult for me to sympathize with your desire to have someone chastised and to impose your will on someone else's behavior such that he or she can no longer view public actions in the manner of his or her choosing. In particular, your simple unwillingness to ASK POLITELY that the person in question simply desist really boggles my mind. Perhaps you never got the cooperation lecture from your parents/guardians when growing up.
Granted, I could be misreading this entire set of circumstances based on my limited exposure to it.
The idea of losing my integrity and taking part in a ritual is unpleasant, and as far as I can tell that's what this is.
What does being willing to try to work out differences rather than being an obstinate, stubborn problem child have to do with losing integrity?
-- Chad Perrin [ CCD CopyWrite | http://ccd.apotheon.org ]
I'll work out my differences when the people when it is possible to do so, but as they insist they are always right, they don't answer questions, they only solution they are interested in is me conforming to their POV.
I am not after capturing flies.
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On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 04:03:25PM +0100, John Bradley wrote:
Free will and being able to control you sub conscious and it's needs are not the same thing at all.
The idea of lowering myself to the level of the average wikipedian is not appealing. That most of them don't appear to be hear for Wikipedias stated aims but for some other aims. I do not wish to join the "Wikipedia community", I wish to help produce an encyclopedia, and seeing as one of the most annoying features of wikipedians is their tendrncy to claim to speak for everyone in the community when try to brow beat. I have no intention of bolstering the numbers they can claim to command/speak for.
If someone claims to speak for "the Wikipedia community", that is that person's failing, not yours. Clearly, nobody speaks for every single individual person that makes up the "community". You are, however, already effectively a member of that "community" by virtue of the fact that you make edits to articles in Wikipedia and complain on the mailing list about perceived slights. It looks like whatever your problem is with interacting with other people, you've failed in avoiding it.
You'll capture more flies with honey than vinegar. If you simply A) politely bring your complaint to the attention of the person whose behavior you dislike and B) assume good faith for first assessments of the reasons for behavior, you'll get a lot farther toward getting "your way", and will get there much faster. You should realize, though, that this doesn't mean that everyone in the world will automatically adopt your wishes as his or her life purpose. Sometimes, people do things entirely for their own reasons and are unwilling to change that behavior just because someone else dislikes it. Sometimes, you'll just have to accept the fact that other people have as much a right to control their own lives as you do yours.
I haven't read the page(s) in question, but from what I've seen here in the mailing list it looks like someone's just keeping track of the edits of certain Wikipedians (defined here as "those who are repeat-editors with identifiable identities") for no malicious purpose. Despite that, it seems, you object. Considering that your actions in editing Wikipedia are public, it's difficult for me to sympathize with your desire to have someone chastised and to impose your will on someone else's behavior such that he or she can no longer view public actions in the manner of his or her choosing. In particular, your simple unwillingness to ASK POLITELY that the person in question simply desist really boggles my mind. Perhaps you never got the cooperation lecture from your parents/guardians when growing up.
Granted, I could be misreading this entire set of circumstances based on my limited exposure to it.
The idea of losing my integrity and taking part in a ritual is unpleasant, and as far as I can tell that's what this is.
What does being willing to try to work out differences rather than being an obstinate, stubborn problem child have to do with losing integrity?
-- Chad Perrin [ CCD CopyWrite | http://ccd.apotheon.org ] _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Yours
John Bradley
Loc: Flat 15/22 Gambier Terrace, Liverpool, L1 7BL, UK. Phone: +44 (0)151 708 7238 Email: john@ontobus.co.uk WWW: www.ontobus.co.uk
On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 07:00:24PM +0100, John Bradley wrote:
I'll work out my differences when the people when it is possible to do so, but as they insist they are always right, they don't answer questions, they only solution they are interested in is me conforming to their POV.
While I cannot comment with any authority on whether or not one particular person has indeed responded to you (that seems to be a point of contention) on one particular issue, I haven't seen any answerable questions or reasonable discourse coming from you about anything at all. If that one person annoys you so, you should A) take it up with him/her, B) take it to sysops/abritration if this person's behavior is in provable violation of Wikipedia editing rules, and eventually C) bring it to Jimbo if you think your concerns haven't been properly addressed. Trolling for flames on a mailing list is not terribly likely to be productive for anyone, including you, based on what I understand of your goals as you have stated them.
I am not after capturing flies.
That was a metaphor.
-- Chad Perrin [ CCD CopyWrite | http://ccd.apotheon.org ]