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David Gerard

6 Jul 2006 6 Jul '06

12:44 p.m.

Interesting one: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060705/dcw049.html?.v=57 Now, how do we keep the well-intentioned clueless from alienating them? Particularly given the directions in the second-last para are very nice and really just the thing. - d.

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Kirill Lokshin

6 Jul 6 Jul

1:27 p.m.

On 7/6/06, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Interesting one: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060705/dcw049.html?.v=57 Now, how do we keep the well-intentioned clueless from alienating them? Particularly given the directions in the second-last para are very nice and really just the thing.

The press release seems to be confused on certain points. At first they discuss the creation of an article-space page (which seems to be up for deletion at the moment, but never mind that). They then instruct people to: "First create or update your own Wiki page, with a short description of your mission or capability and a short description of where you fit into the OSINT world. Then a discreet link to your commercial home page. Once your Wiki page exists the title of that page becomes an automatic Wiki link whenever it is inserted on any Wiki page with two [[brackets]], and should be inserted with a short descriptive line at least once in each grouping above." Are they talking about user pages and linking them in article-space? Or separate articles for each participant with links to their commercial pages? -- Kirill Lokshin

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Jimmy Wales

1:43 p.m.

Kirill Lokshin wrote:

On 7/6/06, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Interesting one: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060705/dcw049.html?.v=57 Now, how do we keep the well-intentioned clueless from alienating them? Particularly given the directions in the second-last para are very nice and really just the thing.

The press release seems to be confused on certain points. At first they discuss the creation of an article-space page (which seems to be up for deletion at the moment, but never mind that). They then instruct people to: "First create or update your own Wiki page, with a short description of your mission or capability and a short description of where you fit into the OSINT world. Then a discreet link to your commercial home page. Once your Wiki page exists the title of that page becomes an automatic Wiki link whenever it is inserted on any Wiki page with two [[brackets]], and should be inserted with a short descriptive line at least once in each grouping above." Are they talking about user pages and linking them in article-space? Or separate articles for each participant with links to their commercial pages?

They are talking about encouraging self-interested people to come in and spam us with nonsense, to be honest. The entire thing is a huge mess. --Jimbo -- ####################################################################### # Office: 1-727-231-0101 | Free Culture and Free Knowledge # # http://www.wikipedia.org | Building a free world # #######################################################################

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John Lyden

1:50 p.m.

On 7/6/06, Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)wikia.com> wrote:

They are talking about encouraging self-interested people to come in and spam us with nonsense, to be honest. The entire thing is a huge mess. --Jimbo

so other than having us subjected to this spam, what other recourse do we have? -- John Lyden - rasputinaxp(a)gmail.com "The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time..." -Kerouac

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Jimmy Wales

1:55 p.m.

John Lyden wrote:

On 7/6/06, Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)wikia.com> wrote:

They are talking about encouraging self-interested people to come in and spam us with nonsense, to be honest. The entire thing is a huge mess. --Jimbo

so other than having us subjected to this spam, what other recourse do we have?

I called and asked nicely. I think they are going to knock it off. In the meantime, the page is really in need of a major major cleanup. It is highly POV in the sense that oss.net (the organization which put out the press release) is made the centerpiece of an article which is on a topic which, as far as I know, is a legitimate one. But, oss.net is legitimate, Robert David Steele is legitimate, and this is all just a misunderstanding of how to properly get people involved in Wikipedia. -- ####################################################################### # Office: 1-727-231-0101 | Free Culture and Free Knowledge # # http://www.wikipedia.org | Building a free world # #######################################################################

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stevertigo

10 Jul 10 Jul

1:32 p.m.

New subject: Just a wiki

Ive flagged [[wikipolitics]] as original research. There is no doubt some higher level article that deals with using the Internet for political purposes, campaigning and stuff - one that doesnt read like a pandering to Wikipedia itself, or is otherwise glorifying one flavor of technology as some kind of political panacea. Donde esta el beef? S __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Guettarda

1:40 p.m.

New subject: Just a wiki

On 7/10/06, stevertigo <vertigosteve(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

Ive flagged [[wikipolitics]] as original research. There is no doubt some higher level article that deals with using the Internet for political purposes, campaigning and stuff - one that doesnt read like a pandering to Wikipedia itself, or is otherwise glorifying one flavor of technology as some kind of political panacea. Donde esta el beef? S

Move it to either the User: space or the Wikipedia: space, and tag it as an essay. Or move it to meta: It may be an article one day, but it isn't now...

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stevertigo

1:49 p.m.

New subject: Just a wiki

Id rather let someone else do it. Somebody might de-admin me again. Steven --- Guettarda <guettarda(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 7/10/06, stevertigo <vertigosteve(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

Ive flagged [[wikipolitics]] as original research. There is no doubt some higher level article that deals with using the Internet for political purposes, campaigning and stuff - one that doesnt read like a pandering to Wikipedia itself, or is otherwise glorifying one flavor of technology as some kind of political panacea. Donde esta el beef? S

Move it to either the User: space or the Wikipedia: space, and tag it as an essay. Or move it to meta: It may be an article one day, but it isn't now... _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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Guettarda

1:52 p.m.

New subject: Just a wiki

On 7/10/06, stevertigo <vertigosteve(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

Id rather let someone else do it. Somebody might de-admin me again. Steven

Hmm...how does that work - you'd have to pass TWO RFAs before you actually get your sysop flag back? Or would you have to get 150-160% of the vote for your RFA to pass? Ian --- Guettarda <guettarda(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 7/10/06, stevertigo <vertigosteve(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Ive flagged [[wikipolitics]] as original research. > > There is no doubt some higher level article that deals with using the > Internet for > political purposes, campaigning and stuff - one that doesnt read like

a

> pandering to > Wikipedia itself, or is otherwise glorifying one flavor of technology

as

some kind of political panacea. Donde esta el beef? S

Move it to either the User: space or the Wikipedia: space, and tag it as

an

essay. Or move it to meta: It may be an article one day, but it isn't now... _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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stevertigo

1:58 p.m.

New subject: Just a wiki

Id have to suck a lot of community rooster. I just dont have the energy. Sure wish I could move pages though... S --- Guettarda <guettarda(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hmm...how does that work - you'd have to pass TWO RFAs before you actually get your sysop flag back? Or would you have to get 150-160% of the vote for your RFA to pass?

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geni

2:46 p.m.

New subject: Just a wiki

On 7/10/06, Guettarda <guettarda(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hmm...how does that work - you'd have to pass TWO RFAs before you actually get your sysop flag back? Or would you have to get 150-160% of the vote for your RFA to pass? Ian

Arcom persident suggests you need permission from arbcom to reapply. Reality suggests the point is acerdemic in any case (not that it is imposible just that it isn't posible through RFA). -- geni

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stevertigo

4:57 p.m.

New subject: Just a wiki

Geni, youre not being very helpful with your notions about what "reality suggests" or what is "acerdemic" or what "isn't posible" or "imposible." I never thought Id say it, but for your own sake... use a spellchecker. Similar wheel wars have arisen which have been handled better, some even with special attention. The community apparently has learned to deal better with these. Apparently there is now some process review procedure for when the Arbcom screws up. Glad to help clarify holes in the process. Of course I may be fooling myself, but I am under the impression that its desirable for editors who make useful edits to have sysop privelidges. Its not just a "janitorial" role. Teenage sysops who like to push their uselessly terse comments as "reality" might make yourselves more useful by taking care of some WP:RQM . Apparently theres a backlog. S --- geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Arcom persident suggests you need permission from arbcom to reapply. Reality suggests the point is acerdemic in any case (not that it is imposible just that it isn't posible through RFA).

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geni

5 p.m.

New subject: Just a wiki

On 7/11/06, stevertigo <vertigosteve(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

Teenage sysops who like to push their uselessly terse comments as "reality" might make yourselves more useful by taking care of some WP:RQM . Apparently theres a backlog. S

Dunno about Teenage sysops we have some pretty good ones (some have been on arbcom). I'm more a WP:CP man myself but each to his own backlog. -- geni

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Puppy

6 Jul 6 Jul

1:56 p.m.

John Lyden wrote:

On 7/6/06, Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)wikia.com> wrote:

They are talking about encouraging self-interested people to come in and spam us with nonsense, to be honest. The entire thing is a huge mess. --Jimbo

so other than having us subjected to this spam, what other recourse do we have?

Same as always. Afd, userfy, welcome messages, and lots of links and explanations of and to WP:V, WP:NPOV, and WP:NOR. -kc-

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Puppy

1:59 p.m.

John Lyden wrote:

On 7/6/06, Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)wikia.com> wrote:

They are talking about encouraging self-interested people to come in and spam us with nonsense, to be honest. The entire thing is a huge mess. --Jimbo

so other than having us subjected to this spam, what other recourse do we have?

OTOH, it appears he called you, Jimbo? Or is he referring to someone else as "your President"? Keep, Steele Stands Back I've just talked with your President, we will do a press release retracting or modifying my call for inputs, I have changed my web site to stiff vendors, and I will wait to learn more in Boston. This is my last entry here. Best wishes to all of you.Robert Steele 20:56, 6 July 2006 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Open_source_intelligence"

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Jimmy Wales

2:21 p.m.

Puppy wrote:

John Lyden wrote:

On 7/6/06, Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)wikia.com> wrote:

They are talking about encouraging self-interested people to come in and spam us with nonsense, to be honest. The entire thing is a huge mess. --Jimbo

so other than having us subjected to this spam, what other recourse do we have?

OTOH, it appears he called you, Jimbo? Or is he referring to someone else as "your President"? Keep, Steele Stands Back I've just talked with your President, we will do a press release retracting or modifying my call for inputs, I have changed my web site to stiff vendors, and I will wait to learn more in Boston. This is my last entry here. Best wishes to all of you.Robert Steele 20:56, 6 July 2006 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Open_source_intelligence"

No, I called him. He's an ok guy. Problem solved. -- ####################################################################### # Office: 1-727-231-0101 | Free Culture and Free Knowledge # # http://www.wikipedia.org | Building a free world # #######################################################################

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Nathan

5:44 p.m.

I concur. I can't make heads nor tails of it myself. - Nathan On Thu, 6 Jul 2006, Jimmy Wales wrote:

They are talking about encouraging self-interested people to come in and spam us with nonsense, to be honest. The entire thing is a huge mess. --Jimbo

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