For what it's worth, I support JTDirl as a sysop. I don't think that JTD was being rude to FB on his page, I think that perhaps FB isn't looking at it in the same light that it was intended.
On a side note, even if it WAS rude, if ever being rude was a valid reason to deny someone sysop status, then a WHOLE bunch of sysops are in SERIOUS trouble. lol (laughing out loud, remember? You DID go read [[leet]], didn't you?)
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Dante Alighieri dalighieri@digitalgrapefruit.com
"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of great moral crisis." -Dante Alighieri, 1265-1321
Dante Alighieri wrote:
For what it's worth, I support JTDirl as a sysop. I don't think that JTD was being rude to FB on his page, I think that perhaps FB isn't looking at it in the same light that it was intended.
I also support administrator status for JTD, unreservedly. I don't always agree with him, but the same goes for other admins, from Jimmy Wales to The Cunctator to Fred Bauder. OK, Jimbo is more polite than JTD -- but not all sysops are!
The note on [[User:Fred Bauder]] that Fred pointed out to us is in fact very good reason for supporting JTD's promotion -- it demonstrates how Fred's personal feelings about JTD colour his reaction to everything that JTD writes. The post was in fact a model of civil behaviour.
On a side note, even if it WAS rude, if ever being rude was a valid reason to deny someone sysop status, then a WHOLE bunch of sysops are in SERIOUS trouble. lol (laughing out loud, remember? You DID go read [[leet]], didn't you?)
Yes, I checked to see if it had any indication why "lol" always means "laughing out loud", never "lots of luck", even in a post that makes much more sense the latter way. As it turns out, [[Leet]] says nothing about "lol" at all.
In your case, however, I agree that it means "laughing out loud". ^_^
-- Toby
Toby Bartels wrote:
On a side note, even if it WAS rude, if ever being rude was a valid reason to deny someone sysop status, then a WHOLE bunch of sysops are in SERIOUS trouble. lol (laughing out loud, remember? You DID go read [[leet]], didn't you?)
Yes, I checked to see if it had any indication why "lol" always means "laughing out loud", never "lots of luck", even in a post that makes much more sense the latter way. As it turns out, [[Leet]] says nothing about "lol" at all.
In your case, however, I agree that it means "laughing out loud". ^_^
The [[Leet]] article didn't make much sense to me at all, but I agree that I found no reference to "lol" in it..
An abbreviation means exactly what the user intended it to mean.
`When _I_ use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less.'
JTDirl has not yet said what he intended, but the context (immediately before the signature) does suggest a meaning more akin to "lots of luck".
Ec
Quoth the new Matrix movie... "you dont know a man until you've fought him" - I believe I have the distinction of being the first to have fought James... About a dozen 35k talk pages record our debate about a trivial little matter regarding some old Irish potatoes... anyway... Jay did indeed cross a line of civility there with me, and I and others were keen to point it out.. Either way, all the fighting softened both of us quite a bit, and in the end he was able to see my points, and I was able to understand his point of view as well... Civility prevailed. Referees dont even try to stop any fights until some blood/teeth on the floor.
At the heart of the matter, with J, despite honest disagreement - was a mutual interest in making the IPF article a good one, and for this to happen some simple restructuring had to take place... (By the way... how IS the IPF article doing?? :)) This mutual interest in quality... of understanding how different points of view on a subject - is in itself in need of addressing in a quality article. There are those who want to bury facts - remove details etc - James, I thought, was one of them, but in fact - in the end - compromised quite equitably in the inclusion and reordering of the IPF material. In all, he and I in fact had little disagreement - rather each wanted to take different angles to the article - neither of them were entirely encyclopedic to begin with. My POV was overly heated - his was overly sterile...
Anyway - Im a fucking expert. I dont care what little disputes some people have gotten into... the communalist - beat up on the outsider tendencies of all cliques means that the stagnant quo is the law of the land... And this would tend to mean that JT would not become a sysop - given the bubblings of a pissy well-placed individual or two - I know nossink of the conflicts involved - only that Jay is not unreasonable - and has contributed so damn much to the WP - that its ridiculous that this would even be an issue.
-Steven MacGrieves
Stevertigo wrote:
Quoth the new Matrix movie... "you dont know a man until you've fought him" - I believe I have the distinction of being the first to have fought James... About a dozen 35k talk pages record our debate about a trivial little matter regarding some old Irish potatoes...
Oooh... them's fightin' words. LOL (and I DO mean "Laugh out loud", lest the context betray me)
At 08:57 AM 6/1/2003, you wrote:
Yes, I checked to see if it had any indication why "lol" always means "laughing out loud", never "lots of luck", even in a post that makes much more sense the latter way. As it turns out, [[Leet]] says nothing about "lol" at all.
In your case, however, I agree that it means "laughing out loud". ^_^
-- Toby
Well, it seems I have made an error, some people do use it for lots of luck I suppose. As for the article on leet, I can't imagine why it doesn't list it... although it also doesn't list rofl or roflmao or roflmaotipmp.... Maybe I was thinking of a different article.
----- Dante Alighieri dalighieri@digitalgrapefruit.com
"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of great moral crisis." -Dante Alighieri, 1265-1321
Dante Alighieri wrote in part:
Well, it seems I have made an error, some people do use it for lots of luck I suppose.
We all make them from time to time.
As for the article on leet, I can't imagine why it doesn't list it... although it also doesn't list rofl or roflmao or roflmaotipmp.... Maybe I was thinking of a different article.
I don't think that the phrase is especially 1337. We should have a [[List of email initialisms]] or something. But I'll leave that to the contributors on Net pop culture.
-- Toby
Toby Bartels wrote:
Dante Alighieri wrote in part:
Well, it seems I have made an error, some people do use it for lots of luck I suppose.
We all make them from time to time.
We should have a [[List of email initialisms]] or something. But I'll leave that to the contributors on Net pop culture.
It's perhaps something that we should start over at Wiktionary.
Ec