On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 16:43, Fred Bauder wrote: The question is: In the case of someone who is definitely not behaving themselves here, can other internet activities be considered as we try to deal with them? Especially in evaluating whether we are dealing with a lifestyle as opposed to limited situational offenses. Fred IMO, you should consider outside behaviour, but always to the benefit of the user in question. For someone with a stellar record outside wikipedia, it should serve as an indication that something with their interaction with wikipidia may be to blame, and the remedy should try to reflect that. For someone with less than a stellar record outside wikipedia, the remedy (if any is conceivable) should reflect that fact, to the effect that the remedy be realistic, and not merely a trap. Jussi-Ville Heiskanen (speaking as a private Wikipedian)

Geoff Burling wrote: I agree with that. A simple statement by the person that they are legitimately interested in bettering the encyclopedia, and do not desire problems to continue, would go a long way, if it seemed geniuine. They don't even have to necessarily be contrite (depending on the situation), but they also ought not to be confrontational and give the impression that unless we take forceful action, they'll continue causing problems and not make any effort to mitigate them. -Mark