On Thu, 2007-06-07 at 08:17 +0100, David Gerard wrote:
http://elearningtech.blogspot.com/2007/06/fourth-grader-wikipedia-update.htm...
Obviously, his edit should be immediately reverted due to his lack of credentials and failure to provide adequate independent sources. Sounds like a textbook conflict of interest to me!
Adding Mexican trails to an American-centric article stops systematic bias. Only uploading the maps to the commons could be a problem. Having the link in there is a more useful edit than I've seen from some people 3 times the kid's age. I hope they stick around.
On 6/7/07, Slowking Man slowkingman@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 2007-06-07 at 08:17 +0100, David Gerard wrote:
http://elearningtech.blogspot.com/2007/06/fourth-grader-wikipedia-update.htm...
Obviously, his edit should be immediately reverted due to his lack of credentials and failure to provide adequate independent sources. Sounds like a textbook conflict of interest to me! -- Slowking Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Slowking_Man)
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Youngest editor? No, I think that honour goes to this person:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Melbourne_2030&diff=135931072&...
Clearly a 6 week old crawling across the keyboard.
Steve
There was middle-school boy (11or12yr) who self-nominated for RfA a couple of weeks ago who got a very bum ride. poor guy :-(
On 07/06/07, Steve Bennett stevagewp@gmail.com wrote:
Youngest editor? No, I think that honour goes to this person:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Melbourne_2030&diff=135931072&...
Clearly a 6 week old crawling across the keyboard.
Steve
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On 6/7/07, michael west michawest@gmail.com wrote:
There was middle-school boy (11or12yr) who self-nominated for RfA a couple of weeks ago who got a very bum ride. poor guy :-(
Because of his age? Or did he lack the Wikipedia experience to be an admin?
Mgm
It is as if adminship is something like a primary election were candidates need to meet a minimum age and education requirement. What's next? Adminship terms? - White Cat
On 6/7/07, MacGyverMagic/Mgm macgyvermagic@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/7/07, michael west michawest@gmail.com wrote:
There was middle-school boy (11or12yr) who self-nominated for RfA a couple of weeks ago who got a very bum ride. poor guy :-(
Because of his age? Or did he lack the Wikipedia experience to be an admin?
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On 6/7/07, michael west michawest@gmail.com wrote:
There was middle-school boy (11or12yr) who self-nominated for RfA a couple of weeks ago who got a very bum ride. poor guy :-(
Really? People were rude to a kid? I hope not...
And, I wager if he hadn't said he was 11 years old, and he'd passed, people would shat themselves later when seven years from now he would be old enough to run for Board of Directors. Or ArbCom, when he got his driver's license!
Regards, Joe http://www.joeszilagyi.com
On 07/06/07, Joe Szilagyi szilagyi@gmail.com wrote:
And, I wager if he hadn't said he was 11 years old, and he'd passed, people would shat themselves later when seven years from now he would be old enough to run for Board of Directors. Or ArbCom, when he got his driver's license!
Oh, he could run for ArbCom. If he got it, though, he'd be the arbitrator without checkuser or oversight ...
- d.
Reading through the opposes of the 11/12 year old, most of them have little to do with the candidate's age. There is, of course, Kelly Martin doing what she does, but the rest are legitimate reasons.
-Sean William
On 6/7/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/06/07, Joe Szilagyi szilagyi@gmail.com wrote:
And, I wager if he hadn't said he was 11 years old, and he'd passed,
people
would shat themselves later when seven years from now he would be old
enough
to run for Board of Directors. Or ArbCom, when he got his driver's
license!
Oh, he could run for ArbCom. If he got it, though, he'd be the arbitrator without checkuser or oversight ...
- d.
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The 11yr old withdrew his nomination. He'd only been editing for 3months and 500 of his cout were on his own pages! He'd also, posted a blocked on somebodies page. (Perhaps out of spite or just not an admin yet). Most of the critism was ok, but but lad didn't know what hit him. On his user page he says he's taken a wikibreak! awww. Sometimes a lot of the kids act more maturely than the adults. Michael
On 07/06/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/06/07, Joe Szilagyi szilagyi@gmail.com wrote:
And, I wager if he hadn't said he was 11 years old, and he'd passed, people would shat themselves later when seven years from now he would be old enough to run for Board of Directors. Or ArbCom, when he got his driver's license!
Oh, he could run for ArbCom. If he got it, though, he'd be the arbitrator without checkuser or oversight ...
- d.
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On 6/7/07, michael west michawest@gmail.com wrote:
The 11yr old withdrew his nomination. He'd only been editing for 3months and 500 of his cout were on his own pages! He'd also, posted a blocked on somebodies page. (Perhaps out of spite or just not an admin yet). Most of the critism was ok, but but lad didn't know what hit him. On his user page he says he's taken a wikibreak! awww. Sometimes a lot of the kids act more maturely than the adults. Michael
On 07/06/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/06/07, Joe Szilagyi szilagyi@gmail.com wrote:
And, I wager if he hadn't said he was 11 years old, and he'd passed,
people
would shat themselves later when seven years from now he would be old
enough
to run for Board of Directors. Or ArbCom, when he got his driver's
license!
Oh, he could run for ArbCom. If he got it, though, he'd be the arbitrator without checkuser or oversight ...
- d.
We have at least a couple of 12 y/o admins, self-identified as such, right now. For that matter, I nominated a candidate that age last month (he was supported 27/0/0 at one point, although ultimately consensus wasn't reached). The age issue came up in a few of the oppose comments but it was pretty clear from the context that those editors would have opposed anyway. I've never seen chronological age actually change the outcome of an RfA and, despite the occasional "ageist" comment, Wiki projects are pretty much more egalitarian age-wise than almost any other part of society I can think of.
Newyorkbrad
mmmm ok, I'm really not in favor of any kid publisizing their age on the net. Myspace must be a hunters paradise for guys into kids. I think that age should never come into it and things like what to write about in your user page should be on every new editor welcome template.
But that certainly doesn't proclude anybody from being an active wikipedian :-)
On 07/06/07, Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) newyorkbrad@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/7/07, michael west michawest@gmail.com wrote:
The 11yr old withdrew his nomination. He'd only been editing for 3months and 500 of his cout were on his own pages! He'd also, posted a blocked on somebodies page. (Perhaps out of spite or just not an admin yet). Most of the critism was ok, but but lad didn't know what hit him. On his user page he says he's taken a wikibreak! awww. Sometimes a lot of the kids act more maturely than the adults. Michael
On 07/06/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/06/07, Joe Szilagyi szilagyi@gmail.com wrote:
And, I wager if he hadn't said he was 11 years old, and he'd passed,
people
would shat themselves later when seven years from now he would be old
enough
to run for Board of Directors. Or ArbCom, when he got his driver's
license!
Oh, he could run for ArbCom. If he got it, though, he'd be the arbitrator without checkuser or oversight ...
- d.
We have at least a couple of 12 y/o admins, self-identified as such, right now. For that matter, I nominated a candidate that age last month (he was supported 27/0/0 at one point, although ultimately consensus wasn't reached). The age issue came up in a few of the oppose comments but it was pretty clear from the context that those editors would have opposed anyway. I've never seen chronological age actually change the outcome of an RfA and, despite the occasional "ageist" comment, Wiki projects are pretty much more egalitarian age-wise than almost any other part of society I can think of.
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On 6/7/07, michael west michawest@gmail.com wrote:
mmmm ok, I'm really not in favor of any kid publisizing their age on the net. Myspace must be a hunters paradise for guys into kids. I think that age should never come into it and things like what to write about in your user page should be on every new editor welcome template.
But that certainly doesn't proclude anybody from being an active wikipedian :-)
On 07/06/07, Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) newyorkbrad@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/7/07, michael west michawest@gmail.com wrote:
The 11yr old withdrew his nomination. He'd only been editing for 3months and 500 of his cout were on his own pages! He'd also, posted a blocked on somebodies page. (Perhaps out of spite or just not an admin yet). Most of the critism was ok, but but lad didn't know what hit him. On his user page he says he's taken a wikibreak! awww. Sometimes a lot of the kids act more maturely than the adults. Michael
On 07/06/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/06/07, Joe Szilagyi szilagyi@gmail.com wrote:
And, I wager if he hadn't said he was 11 years old, and he'd
passed,
people
would shat themselves later when seven years from now he would be
old
enough
to run for Board of Directors. Or ArbCom, when he got his driver's
license!
Oh, he could run for ArbCom. If he got it, though, he'd be the arbitrator without checkuser or oversight ...
- d.
We have at least a couple of 12 y/o admins, self-identified as such,
right
now. For that matter, I nominated a candidate that age last month (he
was
supported 27/0/0 at one point, although ultimately consensus wasn't reached). The age issue came up in a few of the oppose comments but it
was
pretty clear from the context that those editors would have opposed
anyway.
I've never seen chronological age actually change the outcome of an RfA
and,
despite the occasional "ageist" comment, Wiki projects are pretty much
more
egalitarian age-wise than almost any other part of society I can think
of.
Newyorkbrad
I don't think that Wikipedians mentioning their ages on-wiki is a huge problem as long as too much personal identifying information isn't being given. There has been a movement to delete age categories for younger editors and the like, which is fine to prevent any perception that we are facilitating anyone being exploited, but if all you know about a person is an age and a state or country, there is not too much risk.
I do grow concerned sometimes when younger administrators choose to edit under their real names and locations. Not so much because of the conventional WP:CHILD type concerns, as this is a pretty sophisticated population, but because they may be uniquely subject to real-life harassment by trolls or external sites if they happen to do something controversial.
Newyorkbrad
anonymity is a great thing about the web, and you can be who u want2b whether thats the dungeonmaster or a 13 year old girl. Its only when wikipedia starts reaching out of peoples homes and when the legular editor get into 100, 000s that it probably would be a problem. And anyway there is nothing on wiki that isn't available within a few clicks of a mouse. I see you point.
On 07/06/07, Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) newyorkbrad@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/7/07, michael west michawest@gmail.com wrote:
mmmm ok, I'm really not in favor of any kid publisizing their age on the net. Myspace must be a hunters paradise for guys into kids. I think that age should never come into it and things like what to write about in your user page should be on every new editor welcome template.
But that certainly doesn't proclude anybody from being an active wikipedian :-)
On 07/06/07, Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) newyorkbrad@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/7/07, michael west michawest@gmail.com wrote:
The 11yr old withdrew his nomination. He'd only been editing for 3months and 500 of his cout were on his own pages! He'd also, posted a blocked on somebodies page. (Perhaps out of spite or just not an admin yet). Most of the critism was ok, but but lad didn't know what hit him. On his user page he says he's taken a wikibreak! awww. Sometimes a lot of the kids act more maturely than the adults. Michael
On 07/06/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/06/07, Joe Szilagyi szilagyi@gmail.com wrote:
And, I wager if he hadn't said he was 11 years old, and he'd
passed,
people
would shat themselves later when seven years from now he would be
old
enough
to run for Board of Directors. Or ArbCom, when he got his driver's
license!
Oh, he could run for ArbCom. If he got it, though, he'd be the arbitrator without checkuser or oversight ...
- d.
We have at least a couple of 12 y/o admins, self-identified as such,
right
now. For that matter, I nominated a candidate that age last month (he
was
supported 27/0/0 at one point, although ultimately consensus wasn't reached). The age issue came up in a few of the oppose comments but it
was
pretty clear from the context that those editors would have opposed
anyway.
I've never seen chronological age actually change the outcome of an RfA
and,
despite the occasional "ageist" comment, Wiki projects are pretty much
more
egalitarian age-wise than almost any other part of society I can think
of.
Newyorkbrad
I don't think that Wikipedians mentioning their ages on-wiki is a huge problem as long as too much personal identifying information isn't being given. There has been a movement to delete age categories for younger editors and the like, which is fine to prevent any perception that we are facilitating anyone being exploited, but if all you know about a person is an age and a state or country, there is not too much risk.
I do grow concerned sometimes when younger administrators choose to edit under their real names and locations. Not so much because of the conventional WP:CHILD type concerns, as this is a pretty sophisticated population, but because they may be uniquely subject to real-life harassment by trolls or external sites if they happen to do something controversial.
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On 07/06/07, michael west michawest@gmail.com wrote:
anonymity is a great thing about the web, and you can be who u want2b whether thats the dungeonmaster or a 13 year old girl. Its only when wikipedia starts reaching out of peoples homes and when the legular editor get into 100, 000s that it probably would be a problem. And anyway there is nothing on wiki that isn't available within a few clicks of a mouse. I see you point.
Unless you take very convoluted steps, any illusions of anonymity on the Internet are just that.
Zoney wrote:
On 07/06/07, michael west michawest@gmail.com wrote:
anonymity is a great thing about the web, and you can be who u want2b whether thats the dungeonmaster or a 13 year old girl. Its only when wikipedia starts reaching out of peoples homes and when the legular editor get into 100, 000s that it probably would be a problem. And anyway there is nothing on wiki that isn't available within a few clicks of a mouse. I see you point.
Unless you take very convoluted steps, any illusions of anonymity on the Internet are just that.
Amazing how many people don't realize that.
A kid posting their age isn't much of a problem as long as they know not to post personal identifying information and know what to do when they're approached by people with dubious propositions (in other words: how to be safe on the internet). Any pedophile who thinks approaching kids on Wikipedia is a good idea has quite a surprise coming...
I'd like to interrupt this. It isn't our mission to protect kids. We are here to write an encyclopedia, not crowd management or a day care service. Everyone is responsible only of themselves. - White Cat
On 6/8/07, MacGyverMagic/Mgm macgyvermagic@gmail.com wrote:
A kid posting their age isn't much of a problem as long as they know not to post personal identifying information and know what to do when they're approached by people with dubious propositions (in other words: how to be safe on the internet). Any pedophile who thinks approaching kids on Wikipedia is a good idea has quite a surprise coming... _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Oh shut up. That's such complete rubbish. *You* may feel that you don't have a responsibility to others, but some of us do.
On 08/06/07, White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com wrote:
I'd like to interrupt this. It isn't our mission to protect kids. We are here to write an encyclopedia, not crowd management or a day care service. Everyone is responsible only of themselves. - White Cat
On 6/8/07, MacGyverMagic/Mgm macgyvermagic@gmail.com wrote:
A kid posting their age isn't much of a problem as long as they know not to post personal identifying information and know what to do when they're approached by people with dubious propositions (in other words: how to
be
safe on the internet). Any pedophile who thinks approaching kids on Wikipedia is a good idea has quite a surprise coming... _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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I won't shut up. Do not assign me legal responsibility. I already stated my position earlier on on the "protect child privacy" page on Wikipedia. - White Cat
On 6/8/07, Vee vee.be.me@gmail.com wrote:
Oh shut up. That's such complete rubbish. *You* may feel that you don't have a responsibility to others, but some of us do.
On 08/06/07, White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com wrote:
I'd like to interrupt this. It isn't our mission to protect kids. We are here to write an encyclopedia, not crowd management or a day care
service.
Everyone is responsible only of themselves. - White Cat
On 6/8/07, MacGyverMagic/Mgm macgyvermagic@gmail.com wrote:
A kid posting their age isn't much of a problem as long as they know
not
to post personal identifying information and know what to do when they're approached by people with dubious propositions (in other words: how to
be
safe on the internet). Any pedophile who thinks approaching kids on Wikipedia is a good idea has quite a surprise coming... _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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Several arbitrators don't have checkuser, although I believe all do have oversight.
Newyorkbrad
On 6/7/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/06/07, Joe Szilagyi szilagyi@gmail.com wrote:
And, I wager if he hadn't said he was 11 years old, and he'd passed,
people
would shat themselves later when seven years from now he would be old
enough
to run for Board of Directors. Or ArbCom, when he got his driver's
license!
Oh, he could run for ArbCom. If he got it, though, he'd be the arbitrator without checkuser or oversight ...
- d.
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On 6/7/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
http://elearningtech.blogspot.com/2007/06/fourth-grader-wikipedia-update.htm...
"To the RFA Cave, Robin!"
Regards, Joe http://www.joeszilagyi.com
On 6/7/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
http://elearningtech.blogspot.com/2007/06/fourth-grader-wikipedia-update.htm...
The real focus should be on the fact that the kid learned how to use Commons :)