-----Original Message----- From: James Farrar [mailto:james.farrar@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 09:25 AM To: 'English Wikipedia' Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] FredBauder"clarifies"onattack site link policy
On 10/07/07, Fred Bauder fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Ken Arromdee [mailto:arromdee@rahul.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 09:19 AM To: 'English Wikipedia' Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Fred Bauder"clarifies"on attack site link policy
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, John Lee wrote:
If WR links were only deleted for not being reliable sources, we wouldn't be *having* this fuss. Most of the questionable deletions of WR and
similar
links are under circumstances where reliable sources are irrelevant--talk pages, Wikipedia signpost, etc.
Why post a link to a site which engages in harassment and outing, if it's not even a reliable source? In what way is that not dickish?
Because different people have different interpretations of the phrase "reliable source". It is not dickery to disagree on what constitutes a reliable source; it is a content dispute. How the dispute is resolved, of course, may result in dickery from one or both sides.
In this case, a better answer is "because reliable sources don't always matter". Non-reliable sources get linked in talk pages all the time. We don't delete them.
True, but most unreliable sources do not also contain material which abuses our editors and administrators. Protecting productive editors and administrators from harassment both on and off the wiki takes priority over keeping links to attack sites active.
How much time has been wasted by so-called "productive" editors and admins repeatedly defending this appalling policy?
That is our work, to create a supportive environment for productive work on the encyclopedia. It is not a waste of time at all to patiently explain that supporting our productive editors and administrators and protecting them from harassment both on and off wiki has a high priority.
Fred
On 10/07/07, Fred Bauder fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: James Farrar [mailto:james.farrar@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 09:25 AM To: 'English Wikipedia' Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] FredBauder"clarifies"onattack site link policy
On 10/07/07, Fred Bauder fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Ken Arromdee [mailto:arromdee@rahul.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 09:19 AM To: 'English Wikipedia' Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Fred Bauder"clarifies"on attack site link policy
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, John Lee wrote:
>If WR links were only deleted for not being reliable sources, we wouldn't >be *having* this fuss. Most of the questionable deletions of WR and similar >links are under circumstances where reliable sources are irrelevant--talk >pages, Wikipedia signpost, etc. Why post a link to a site which engages in harassment and outing, if it's not even a reliable source? In what way is that not dickish?
Because different people have different interpretations of the phrase "reliable source". It is not dickery to disagree on what constitutes a reliable source; it is a content dispute. How the dispute is resolved, of course, may result in dickery from one or both sides.
In this case, a better answer is "because reliable sources don't always matter". Non-reliable sources get linked in talk pages all the time. We don't delete them.
True, but most unreliable sources do not also contain material which abuses our editors and administrators. Protecting productive editors and administrators from harassment both on and off the wiki takes priority over keeping links to attack sites active.
How much time has been wasted by so-called "productive" editors and admins repeatedly defending this appalling policy?
That is our work, to create a supportive environment for productive work on the encyclopedia. It is not a waste of time at all to patiently explain that supporting our productive editors and administrators and protecting them from harassment both on and off wiki has a high priority.
You really believe it's productive to repeat a mantra for the forty-third time? After about the fourth time, you really aren't changing any minds - you're just pissing people off by spamming their mailboxes.
And all to defend a policy that is only one way -- and a particularly bad way, at that -- tgo enforce your mantra.