Ed Poor wrote:
If there are a dozen or 6 dozen separate, tiny articles with a common theme, then why not:
- Copy the text of each article into one new comprehensive article
(like
[[List of Apprentice contestants]]
- Turn the text of each old article into: #REDIRECT [[List of
Apprentice contestants]]
This is how Maveric asked me to handle the Simpsons, way back when...
That's what I voted for, and indeed, that was the overwhelming consensus of the VFD vote, and is what has been done.
And indeed, that could have been boldly done by someone without needing a VFD vote. But I would say that (a) there would have been a guaranteed edit war following it; and (b) there WAS a definite minority opinion that these people didn't deserve to be in the Wikipedia AT ALL, being merely "game show contestants".
Me, I see the whole affair as further proof that VFD is not at all broken, and continues to excellently serve the community.
Cheers! David...
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This highlights to problem of deletion. In the case you are talking about, someone should very much have boldly edited this as redirects. If this had happened to be wrong, people would have seen it, and it could have been put right through wiki process.
Deletion is a totally different beast, it removes the information, and, for most users, even the evidence that it was ever there, removing the possibility of process to improve the information.
Mark
--- "Carson, David" DCarson@nine.com.au wrote:
Ed Poor wrote:
If there are a dozen or 6 dozen separate, tiny
articles with a common
theme, then why not:
- Copy the text of each article into one new
comprehensive article (like
[[List of Apprentice contestants]]
- Turn the text of each old article into:
#REDIRECT [[List of
Apprentice contestants]]
This is how Maveric asked me to handle the
Simpsons, way back when...
That's what I voted for, and indeed, that was the overwhelming consensus of the VFD vote, and is what has been done.
And indeed, that could have been boldly done by someone without needing a VFD vote. But I would say that (a) there would have been a guaranteed edit war following it; and (b) there WAS a definite minority opinion that these people didn't deserve to be in the Wikipedia AT ALL, being merely "game show contestants".
Me, I see the whole affair as further proof that VFD is not at all broken, and continues to excellently serve the community.
Cheers! David...
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Listing on VfD is not equivalent to deletion.
My experience is that very few if any articles are ever deleted through VfD that should not be. Those cases and most borderline ones then have the option of VfU.
VfD is really about trying to get the community opinion about an article's inclusion. Options other than straight keep or straight delete are often used too -- in this case, merging into one article.
-Matt
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:17:13 -0700 (PDT), Mark Richards marich712000@yahoo.com wrote:
This highlights to problem of deletion. In the case you are talking about, someone should very much have boldly edited this as redirects. If this had happened to be wrong, people would have seen it, and it could have been put right through wiki process.
Deletion is a totally different beast, it removes the information, and, for most users, even the evidence that it was ever there, removing the possibility of process to improve the information.
Mark
--- "Carson, David" DCarson@nine.com.au wrote:
Ed Poor wrote:
If there are a dozen or 6 dozen separate, tiny
articles with a common
theme, then why not:
- Copy the text of each article into one new
comprehensive article (like
[[List of Apprentice contestants]]
- Turn the text of each old article into:
#REDIRECT [[List of
Apprentice contestants]]
This is how Maveric asked me to handle the
Simpsons, way back when...
That's what I voted for, and indeed, that was the overwhelming consensus of the VFD vote, and is what has been done.
And indeed, that could have been boldly done by someone without needing a VFD vote. But I would say that (a) there would have been a guaranteed edit war following it; and (b) there WAS a definite minority opinion that these people didn't deserve to be in the Wikipedia AT ALL, being merely "game show contestants".
Me, I see the whole affair as further proof that VFD is not at all broken, and continues to excellently serve the community.
Cheers! David...
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The trouble with VFU is that only admins can even see what was deleted. The process is proundly un wiki. Mark
--- Matt Brown morven@gmail.com wrote:
Listing on VfD is not equivalent to deletion.
My experience is that very few if any articles are ever deleted through VfD that should not be. Those cases and most borderline ones then have the option of VfU.
VfD is really about trying to get the community opinion about an article's inclusion. Options other than straight keep or straight delete are often used too -- in this case, merging into one article.
-Matt
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:17:13 -0700 (PDT), Mark Richards marich712000@yahoo.com wrote:
This highlights to problem of deletion. In the
case
you are talking about, someone should very much
have
boldly edited this as redirects. If this had
happened
to be wrong, people would have seen it, and it
could
have been put right through wiki process.
Deletion is a totally different beast, it removes
the
information, and, for most users, even the
evidence
that it was ever there, removing the possibility
of
process to improve the information.
Mark
--- "Carson, David" DCarson@nine.com.au wrote:
Ed Poor wrote:
If there are a dozen or 6 dozen separate, tiny
articles with a common
theme, then why not:
- Copy the text of each article into one new
comprehensive article (like
[[List of Apprentice contestants]]
- Turn the text of each old article into:
#REDIRECT [[List of
Apprentice contestants]]
This is how Maveric asked me to handle the
Simpsons, way back when...
That's what I voted for, and indeed, that was
the
overwhelming consensus of the VFD vote, and is what has been done.
And indeed, that could have been boldly done by someone without needing a VFD vote. But I would say that (a) there would have been a guaranteed edit war following it; and (b) there WAS a
definite
minority opinion that these people didn't deserve to be in the Wikipedia AT ALL, being merely "game show contestants".
Me, I see the whole affair as further proof that
VFD
is not at all broken, and continues to excellently serve the community.
Cheers! David...
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Mark Richards wrote:
The trouble with VFU is that only admins can even see what was deleted. The process is proundly un wiki.
Perhaps it would be helpful if listings on VFU were accompanied by an admin copying the deleted article to a temporary subpage a.s.a.p. ?
Cheers! David...
That would be better, but it still denies future generations of Wikipedian the right to edit and improve. There are a few circumstances where legal, ethical reasons or simple nonsense compel deletion, but blanking, redirecting or refactoring is almost always better. Mark
--- David Carson david@hemiware.com wrote:
Mark Richards wrote:
The trouble with VFU is that only admins can even
see
what was deleted. The process is proundly un wiki.
Perhaps it would be helpful if listings on VFU were accompanied by an admin copying the deleted article to a temporary subpage a.s.a.p. ?
Cheers! David...
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Which is what is almost always done. Very few articles are actually deleted.
-Matt
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:35:32 -0700 (PDT), Mark Richards marich712000@yahoo.com wrote:
That would be better, but it still denies future generations of Wikipedian the right to edit and improve. There are a few circumstances where legal, ethical reasons or simple nonsense compel deletion, but blanking, redirecting or refactoring is almost always better. Mark
--- David Carson david@hemiware.com wrote:
Mark Richards wrote:
The trouble with VFU is that only admins can even
see
what was deleted. The process is proundly un wiki.
Perhaps it would be helpful if listings on VFU were accompanied by an admin copying the deleted article to a temporary subpage a.s.a.p. ?
Cheers! David...
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Erm, not sure - have you got any numbers on this? Maybe we should count ;) Mark
--- Matt Brown morven@gmail.com wrote:
Which is what is almost always done. Very few articles are actually deleted.
-Matt
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:35:32 -0700 (PDT), Mark Richards marich712000@yahoo.com wrote:
That would be better, but it still denies future generations of Wikipedian the right to edit and improve. There are a few circumstances where
legal,
ethical reasons or simple nonsense compel
deletion,
but blanking, redirecting or refactoring is almost always better. Mark
--- David Carson david@hemiware.com wrote:
Mark Richards wrote:
The trouble with VFU is that only admins can
even
see
what was deleted. The process is proundly un
wiki.
Perhaps it would be helpful if listings on VFU
were
accompanied by an admin copying the deleted article to a temporary subpage a.s.a.p. ?
Cheers! David...
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