--- "steven l. rubenstein" <rubenste(a)ohiou.edu> wrote:
Either I misunderstand the purpose of the list-serve,
or I
misunderstand
Chris Mahan. I thought the purpose of the listserve. I thought
one of the
purposes was to promote open dialogue about policy. I assume that
dialogue
involves sharing and discussing values, principles, and methods
from
different points of view. I took it for granted that any posting
to the
listserve reflects the author's point of view, and I assumed that
it was
not only alright but valuable that I present my own point of view.
Yes, and this is exactly why it's ok for Wheeler to express
him/herself in this forum in the manner of his choosing.
This is
what I was doing when I wrote:
> I just don't want to see
> someone
> use Wikipedia as a vehicle for hate speech.
So frankly, I do not understand Chris Mahan's response:
Your POV.
Of course it is my point of view. From context, CM seems to be
suggesting
that it is not valid because it is my point of view. Why not? I
don't get it.
It's perfectly valid "as your point of view" but not as "wikipedia
Policy".
Earlier, CM or someone else suggested that freedom of
speech should
be one
of my values. In order to explain why banning anti-Semitism from
Wikipedia
would not infringe on freedom of speech, I wrote,
--- "steven l. rubenstein"
<rubenste(a)ohiou.edu> wrote:
> What WHEELER wrote may very
> well be
> legal -- so he can write it elsewhere.
and CM responded,
Why not here? We're a public forum.
But then CM wrote
If they're being
destructive, then ban them.
I did not mean "being destructive" by hurting other people's feelings
and motivation. I meant it as deleting content or damaging content
in wikipedia articles.
which is exactly my point. Hate speech is
destructive. Does this
now mean
that CM agrees with me?
I do not think that hate speech is destructive.
I'd rather have someone spew filth out of their mouth in the public
forum (the street, etc) than shoot me and my wife with a pistol.
The reason why I say that hate speech is not destructive is that
speech itself is strictly communicative. When one takes action, then
the actions become punishable. but as long as one just speaks and
DOES NOT ACT, then where's the harm?
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