--- "steven l. rubenstein" rubenste@ohiou.edu wrote:
Either I misunderstand the purpose of the list-serve, or I misunderstand Chris Mahan. I thought the purpose of the listserve. I thought one of the purposes was to promote open dialogue about policy. I assume that dialogue involves sharing and discussing values, principles, and methods from different points of view. I took it for granted that any posting to the listserve reflects the author's point of view, and I assumed that it was not only alright but valuable that I present my own point of view.
Yes, and this is exactly why it's ok for Wheeler to express him/herself in this forum in the manner of his choosing.
This is what I was doing when I wrote:
I just don't want to see someone use Wikipedia as a vehicle for hate speech.
So frankly, I do not understand Chris Mahan's response:
Your POV.
Of course it is my point of view. From context, CM seems to be suggesting that it is not valid because it is my point of view. Why not? I don't get it.
It's perfectly valid "as your point of view" but not as "wikipedia Policy".
Earlier, CM or someone else suggested that freedom of speech should be one of my values. In order to explain why banning anti-Semitism from Wikipedia would not infringe on freedom of speech, I wrote,
--- "steven l. rubenstein" rubenste@ohiou.edu wrote:
What WHEELER wrote may very well be legal -- so he can write it elsewhere.
and CM responded,
Why not here? We're a public forum.
But then CM wrote
If they're being destructive, then ban them.
I did not mean "being destructive" by hurting other people's feelings and motivation. I meant it as deleting content or damaging content in wikipedia articles.
which is exactly my point. Hate speech is destructive. Does this now mean that CM agrees with me?
I do not think that hate speech is destructive.
I'd rather have someone spew filth out of their mouth in the public forum (the street, etc) than shoot me and my wife with a pistol.
The reason why I say that hate speech is not destructive is that speech itself is strictly communicative. When one takes action, then the actions become punishable. but as long as one just speaks and DOES NOT ACT, then where's the harm?
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