Mr.Z-man and Maxim are currently requesting +crat at [[WP:RFB]].
There is also a discussion at [[WT:RFA]] relating to the need for more 'crats, and so I encourage everyone to consider these requests carefully.
Also, now, Riana and Ryan Postlewaite.
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Alex G g1ggyman@gmail.com wrote:
Mr.Z-man and Maxim are currently requesting +crat at [[WP:RFB]].
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Update for all interested parties: RyanGerbil10 and Ryan Postlethwaite have withdrawn, leaving Mr.Z-man, Maxim, Riana, Majorly, and Wizardman. There is also still an ongoing discussion at [[WT:RFA]] as mentioned previously.
- GC
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
Also, now, Riana and Ryan Postlewaite.
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Alex G g1ggyman@gmail.com wrote:
Mr.Z-man and Maxim are currently requesting +crat at [[WP:RFB]].
There is also a discussion at [[WT:RFA]] relating to the need for more 'crats, and so I encourage everyone to consider these requests
carefully.
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On 28/02/2008, Alex Sawczynec glasscobra15@gmail.com wrote:
Update for all interested parties: RyanGerbil10 and Ryan Postlethwaite have withdrawn, leaving Mr.Z-man, Maxim, Riana, Majorly, and Wizardman. There is also still an ongoing discussion at [[WT:RFA]] as mentioned previously.
- GC
One cannot help finding it curious that six administrators suddenly were
overcome with the urge to run as bureaucrats within a few hours of one of the now-candidates initiating a discussion of such on [[WT:RFA]]. Well, best of luck to them.
Risker
That said, one has withdrawn citing, from what I can see, that it was for fun as much as anything else.
Perhaps there was a genuine need for 'crats? Last time we had a large group of noms going, circumstances were similar, if I recall correctly.
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
One cannot help finding it curious that six administrators suddenly were overcome with the urge to run as bureaucrats within a few hours of one of the now-candidates initiating a discussion of such on [[WT:RFA]]. Well, best of luck to them.
Risker
On 28/02/2008, Alex G g1ggyman@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps there was a genuine need for 'crats? Last time we had a large group of noms going, circumstances were similar, if I recall correctly.
Well, there are no 'crat backlogs, two of the less active 'crats
participated in the thread to state that they were certainly available if needed, and I don't see anywhere that anyone was unsuccessfully searching for a bureaucrat for the last several months. I would hardly call that a call to arms. But whatever.
Risker
On 28/02/2008, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
One cannot help finding it curious that six administrators suddenly were
overcome with the urge to run as bureaucrats within a few hours of one of the now-candidates initiating a discussion of such on [[WT:RFA]]. Well, best of luck to them.
For what it's worth, I've been planning to run for quite some time. Just got the shove I needed today, is all. :)
On 28/02/2008, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
On 28/02/2008, Alex Sawczynec glasscobra15@gmail.com wrote:
Update for all interested parties: RyanGerbil10 and Ryan Postlethwaite have withdrawn, leaving Mr.Z-man, Maxim, Riana, Majorly, and Wizardman. There is also still an ongoing discussion at [[WT:RFA]] as mentioned previously.
- GC
One cannot help finding it curious that six administrators suddenly were
overcome with the urge to run as bureaucrats within a few hours of one of the now-candidates initiating a discussion of such on [[WT:RFA]]. Well, best of luck to them.
Risker
I think sometimes RfBs are a little like London Buses, you wait half an hour impatiently for one and six come at once see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2007-07-16/Two_new...
Good Luck everybody still in the race
Mike
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 6:22 AM, michael west michawest@gmail.com wrote:
On 28/02/2008, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
On 28/02/2008, Alex Sawczynec glasscobra15@gmail.com wrote:
Update for all interested parties: RyanGerbil10 and Ryan Postlethwaite have withdrawn, leaving Mr.Z-man, Maxim, Riana, Majorly, and Wizardman.
There
is also still an ongoing discussion at [[WT:RFA]] as mentioned
previously.
- GC
One cannot help finding it curious that six administrators suddenly
were
overcome with the urge to run as bureaucrats within a few hours of one
of
the now-candidates initiating a discussion of such on [[WT:RFA]]. Well, best of luck to them.
Risker
I think sometimes RfBs are a little like London Buses, you wait half an hour impatiently for one and six come at once see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2007-07-16/Two_new...
Good Luck everybody still in the race
Mike
Perhaps the idea to have several bureaucrats run at once was not discussed thoroughly enough; almost all that are running have received blanket "we don't need more" opposes. Considering how high the bar of promotion is for RfBs, these types of opposes can sink one by themselves.
Update: Maxim and Majorly have withdrawn as well, leaving Wizardman, Riana, and Mr.Z-man.
At least one such (we don't need no stinkin' bureaucrats) oppose is guaranteed anyway, and more are inevitable. At least if you have a half dozen run at one time, it attracts more general attention from the community so the vote totals will hopefully be higher. To add to the update:
Maxim - Withdrew Ryan Postlewaite - Withdrew RyanGerbil - Withdrew Majorly - Withdrew Riana - Ongoing (The highest support total so far, 94 last I saw) The Rambling Man - Ongoing Mr.Z-Man - Ongoing Wizardman - Ongoing Acalamari - Ongoing
I think all the active noms are passing, but TRM and Acalamari are brand new and Wizardman at least hasn't had too much participation yet. Interestingly, TRM's nom is not a self-nom (which I understood to be the custom).
Nathan
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
At least one such (we don't need no stinkin' bureaucrats) oppose is guaranteed anyway, and more are inevitable. At least if you have a half dozen run at one time, it attracts more general attention from the community so the vote totals will hopefully be higher. To add to the update:
Maxim - Withdrew Ryan Postlewaite - Withdrew RyanGerbil - Withdrew Majorly - Withdrew Riana - Ongoing (The highest support total so far, 94 last I saw) The Rambling Man - Ongoing Mr.Z-Man - Ongoing Wizardman - Ongoing Acalamari - Ongoing
I think all the active noms are passing, but TRM and Acalamari are brand new and Wizardman at least hasn't had too much participation yet. Interestingly, TRM's nom is not a self-nom (which I understood to be the custom).
Nathan
[[User:Neil]] is also running, bringing the total to five.
I confess, I'm a little disappointed at how quickly some of the candidates have withdrawn. Does anyone else feel similarly?
Oops, left out Neil. I'm not sure I agree with Ryan P.'s rationale for withdrawing, and I think for his own sake RyanGerbil should probably have let it run a little longer. By withdrawing them so quickly after they were filed, it makes the nom seem spurious and not well thought out - and also gives the appearance that the admins can't handle criticism. I don't know that this is actually the case, but the appearance will cause difficulty in any future RfB noms for these folks. Majorly... Well, I think given the trend in that RfB withdrawal was probably a good idea.
Nathan
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On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
Oops, left out Neil. I'm not sure I agree with Ryan P.'s rationale for withdrawing, and I think for his own sake RyanGerbil should probably have let it run a little longer. By withdrawing them so quickly after they were filed, it makes the nom seem spurious and not well thought out - and also gives the appearance that the admins can't handle criticism. I don't know that this is actually the case, but the appearance will cause difficulty in any future RfB noms for these folks. Majorly... Well, I think given the trend in that RfB withdrawal was probably a good idea.
Nathan
[[User:Neil]] is also running, bringing the total to five.
I confess, I'm a little disappointed at how quickly some of the
candidates
have withdrawn. Does anyone else feel similarly?
I agree with you partially. I don't really see a reason why a candidate would not let their RfA or RfB run its full course, even if it seems clear that it would not pass. First, I've seen many debates where the tide completely shifts towards the end; and second, it's a chance for good, constructive criticism, which is something that no one should pass up on. If a candidate withdraws early, not only does it make the nom seem spurious, but it gives an impression of caring more about preserving a positive percentage in case they decide to run again in the future.
I confess, I'm a little disappointed at how quickly some of the candidates have withdrawn. Does anyone else feel similarly?
Yeah. I was especially disappointed at Majorly's reason - "oppose votes just hurt" (or something like that). Shows no intention to take constructive criticism on board and learn from it. Withdrawing so soon suggests the candidates weren't very serious about wanting the job.
On 28/02/2008, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
I confess, I'm a little disappointed at how quickly some of the
candidates
have withdrawn. Does anyone else feel similarly?
Yeah. I was especially disappointed at Majorly's reason - "oppose votes just hurt" (or something like that). Shows no intention to take constructive criticism on board and learn from it. Withdrawing so soon suggests the candidates weren't very serious about wanting the job.
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Sorry, I might have missed it... but what constructive criticism was there? I saw mostly unhelpful comments like "Never" "totally unsuitable" "don't trust him as an admin" blah blah etc etc. There was barely anything helpful. I also think running 3 times shows I am pretty serious, don't you think? I had promised to myself to never run again after last July, and broke that promise by running again, with the hope the community would be able to be more forgiving and assume more good faith, and not hold grudges. Some people oppose because of petty reasons, and basically attacked me in doing so - I'm hurt the community thinks I'm some sort of unstable individual who would make a rubbish bureaucrat. I'm a bcrat on Meta, probably the most active. Heck, even Lar supported me, and we are probably two of the most different users there are, and we've had lots of fights. But since we work on Meta as bcrats, he probably knows me better than most. Anyway, there's some much better candidates up, and I'm glad *I* was the push that got them running.
On 28/02/2008, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry, I might have missed it... but what constructive criticism was
there?
Yeah, that's pretty much my point. The constructive criticism is there if you're willing to see it.
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I asked a question. Please answer it. There was a smidgen of constructive criticism, but it was mostly fluffy shrubbery votes. The one about the sockpuppetry was particularly dreadful.
I asked a question. Please answer it. There was a smidgen of constructive criticism, but it was mostly fluffy shrubbery votes. The one about the sockpuppetry was particularly dreadful.
There were various comments regarding your attitude that seemed pretty constructive to me (I don't know if they were accurate or not, I haven't done the necessary legwork, but they were constructive).
You mentioned Lar - some criticism of you from him can be found in your RfB. Not all criticism that was expressed was constructive in allowing you to change... But the prevalence of criticism, in contrast to some other RfBs, at least tells you something. In any event, I agree with you that a withdrawal was in order.
Nathan
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Majorly axel9891@googlemail.com wrote:
On 28/02/2008, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry, I might have missed it... but what constructive criticism was
there?
Yeah, that's pretty much my point. The constructive criticism is there if you're willing to see it.
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I asked a question. Please answer it. There was a smidgen of constructive criticism, but it was mostly fluffy shrubbery votes. The one about the sockpuppetry was particularly dreadful.
-- Alex (Majorly)
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On 28/02/2008, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
In any event, I agree with you that a withdrawal was in order.
Duh! :-)
Quick update, Acalamari and Mr.Z-man have withdrawn. There are currently four candidates left: Riana, Wizardman, Neil, and The Rambling Man.
Thomas Dalton wrote:
I confess, I'm a little disappointed at how quickly some of the candidates have withdrawn. Does anyone else feel similarly?
Yeah. I was especially disappointed at Majorly's reason - "oppose votes just hurt" (or something like that). Shows no intention to take constructive criticism on board and learn from it. Withdrawing so soon suggests the candidates weren't very serious about wanting the job.
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I think after I read everything at the linked pages, I disagree. Because this is all pure volunteerism, I would that candidates can and should withdraw, without being prejudiced by the withdrawal. We can not, I believe, think to know the mind of these candidates, and shame on us if we hold a withdrawal against the candidates in the future. This would be a mistake. There are *MANY* reasons a withdrawal would occur and a good many of them do not include "candidate not very serious". You garner that from editing history, not one event, such as a withdrawal.
./scream
Thomas Dalton wrote:
I confess, I'm a little disappointed at how quickly some of the candidates have withdrawn. Does anyone else feel similarly?
Yeah. I was especially disappointed at Majorly's reason - "oppose votes just hurt" (or something like that). Shows no intention to take constructive criticism on board and learn from it. Withdrawing so soon suggests the candidates weren't very serious about wanting the job.
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I was also disappointed with that reason, but as equally with many reasons I see on those RFB proposals.
./scream
This play by play is getting a little complicated, and probably anyone who wants to can follow it on-wiki, but Avraham has now stood for RfB.
Nathan
On 28/02/2008, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
This play by play is getting a little complicated, and probably anyone who wants to can follow it on-wiki, but Avraham has now stood for RfB.
I'm not really sure what purpose an email commentary serves...
Thomas Dalton wrote:
On 28/02/2008, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
This play by play is getting a little complicated, and probably anyone who wants to can follow it on-wiki, but Avraham has now stood for RfB.
I'm not really sure what purpose an email commentary serves...
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It serves to inform me. I had no idea about the RFB's untill I read about them. Now I think I'll go check Avr's out. I don't have RFA watchlisted for example. Commentary is ok I think, especially if it serves the work of this list.
./scream