"The Cunctator" wrote
On 1/3/07, charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote:
"The Cunctator" wrote
Who is expressing hate for anyone?
You called someone a 'deletion nazi'? This should have been Game Over for your argument.
Oh, come on. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soup_Nazi
No, since when has attaching 'Nazi' to something been an acceptable way to argue? Don't quote Seinfeld to me. I'm not American, I don't watch it. That goes also for others on the list. You 'come on'. Stop being an ethnocentric jerk.
Charles
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On Wednesday 03 January 2007 16:20, charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote:
No, since when has attaching 'Nazi' to something been an acceptable way to argue? Don't quote Seinfeld to me. I'm not American, I don't watch it. That goes also for others on the list. You 'come on'. Stop being an ethnocentric jerk.
Oh, grow up.
It was funny. And appropriate.
If you're that thin-skinned that you find it upsetting, then you DESERVE to be upset.
It's not funny if you're from Central Europe which suffered because of its poverty and resulting government.
On 1/3/07, Kurt Maxwell Weber kmw@armory.com wrote:
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 16:20, charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote:
No, since when has attaching 'Nazi' to something been an acceptable way
to
argue? Don't quote Seinfeld to me. I'm not American, I don't watch it.
That
goes also for others on the list. You 'come on'. Stop being an
ethnocentric
jerk.
Oh, grow up.
It was funny. And appropriate.
If you're that thin-skinned that you find it upsetting, then you DESERVE to be upset. -- Kurt Weber kmw@armory.com _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
On 1/3/07, charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote:
"The Cunctator" wrote
On 1/3/07, charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com <
charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
"The Cunctator" wrote
Who is expressing hate for anyone?
You called someone a 'deletion nazi'? This should have been Game Over
for
your argument.
Oh, come on. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soup_Nazi
No, since when has attaching 'Nazi' to something been an acceptable way to argue?
For a long time.
Don't quote Seinfeld to me. I'm not American, I don't watch it.
That's why I quoted it to you. If you quoted Oscar Wilde to me, I wouldn't be upset if you gave me a Wikipedia link to understand the reference.
That goes also for others on the list. You 'come on'. Stop being an
ethnocentric jerk.
Wow. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.
I would note that "Game Over" comes from American video game culture, and "jerk" comes from American slang.
On 1/4/07, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
The Cunctator wrote:
I would note that "Game Over" comes from American video game culture
It's much older than. It appeared on pinball machines before video games ever existed.
Hmmm... you're going to have to edit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_over then...
How would it appear on a pinball machine? Electronic displays started appearing on pinball machines in the 1970s (if Wikipedia is to be trusted), the same era as the introduction of video arcade games.
Thursday, January 4, 2007, 3:47:10 PM, The wrote:
How would it appear on a pinball machine? Electronic displays started appearing on pinball machines in the 1970s (if Wikipedia is to be trusted), the same era as the introduction of video arcade games.
But you don't need an electronic display for that: all you need is a small lightbulb behind a coloured glass: when the game is over, the light bulb lights up.
These "electromechanical" pinball machines have been made from the 1930s until the advent of electronics.
The Cunctator wrote:
On 1/4/07, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
The Cunctator wrote:
I would note that "Game Over" comes from American video game culture
It's much older than. It appeared on pinball machines before video games ever existed.
Hmmm... you're going to have to edit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_over then...
Oh for crying out loud, what on earth does a referee's whistle mean at the end of a footie match if not game over? Christ, how many PE teachers around the world have called out come on in boys, game over...
Steve Block wrote:
The Cunctator wrote:
On 1/4/07, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
The Cunctator wrote:
I would note that "Game Over" comes from American video game culture
It's much older than. It appeared on pinball machines before video games ever existed.
Hmmm... you're going to have to edit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_over then...
Oh for crying out loud, what on earth does a referee's whistle mean at the end of a footie match if not game over? Christ, how many PE teachers around the world have called out come on in boys, game over...
I mean Thackery wrote in Vanity Fayre that "The Game, in her opinion, was over". That's a century before pinball culture. Did Americans invent sex too?
Steve Block wrote:
Steve Block wrote:
The Cunctator wrote:
On 1/4/07, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
The Cunctator wrote:
I would note that "Game Over" comes from American video game culture
It's much older than. It appeared on pinball machines before video games ever existed.
Hmmm... you're going to have to edit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_over then...
Oh for crying out loud, what on earth does a referee's whistle mean at the end of a footie match if not game over? Christ, how many PE teachers around the world have called out come on in boys, game over...
I mean Thackery wrote in Vanity Fayre that "The Game, in her opinion, was over". That's a century before pinball culture. Did Americans invent sex too?
There are many examples like the one from Thackery. "The game was over" is somewhat different because of the "was". I looked at Google Books and kept getting a lot of different situations where a sentence ended with "game", and the next one began with "Over". We are looking for its use as an interjection. Perhaps in something like this hypothetical sentence: "As he lay on his deathbed he realized it would soon be game over." The problem is not as easy as it seems.
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Ray Saintonge wrote:
Steve Block wrote:
Steve Block wrote:
The Cunctator wrote:
On 1/4/07, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
The Cunctator wrote:
I would note that "Game Over" comes from American video game culture
It's much older than. It appeared on pinball machines before video games ever existed.
Hmmm... you're going to have to edit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_over then...
Oh for crying out loud, what on earth does a referee's whistle mean at the end of a footie match if not game over? Christ, how many PE teachers around the world have called out come on in boys, game over...
I mean Thackery wrote in Vanity Fayre that "The Game, in her opinion, was over". That's a century before pinball culture. Did Americans invent sex too?
There are many examples like the one from Thackery. "The game was over" is somewhat different because of the "was". I looked at Google Books and kept getting a lot of different situations where a sentence ended with "game", and the next one began with "Over". We are looking for its use as an interjection. Perhaps in something like this hypothetical sentence: "As he lay on his deathbed he realized it would soon be game over." The problem is not as easy as it seems.
Oh I got one of those. But I think we are talking about different things here. I'm simply stating that it seems to me to be somewhat original research to postulate that the concept behind the phrase "Game over", was established by it's usage in the video games of the seventies. The concept, that of using the term "game over" to imply that something was finished, has been around for a long time, which I think the Thackeray quote shows. You've got James Parton. Life of Voltaire, 1881. "That game over, Madame du Châtelet, who was on the losing side, asked her revenge. Another game was begun."
I mean, the phrase "the game was afoot" is a long established one, which implies the game would, at some point be over. I don't dispute that video games have used the term "game over", but I think it is dangerous to associate any cultural impact solely with the video game's usage of the phrase, and also to ignore the wider context of the phrase and variations of it, as the article currently does, without any concrete sourcing. The OED doesn't currently define the term, which to me implies the whole article is defining a new term. Which merely demonstrates how tricky all this sourcing is. I'd rather see an article which said in the 1800's the term Game over was used in such manners as these. Then detail it's usage in patents of the fifties, which we have, and then detail the usage in the seventies. I think it is a mistake to associate all examples of it to video game influence. I would hope we can all accept the concept and the phrase have been around longer than the seventies, and that whilst video game usage influenced a generation, it was borrowed from elsewhere. I feel presenting it as derived from video games gives undue weight to that usage. I've yet to find a good source which states it was a new term created by the video game industry, but I have yet to find a good source to state otherwise also. So it seems to me that without such sources, we have to be very careful what we write. Anyway, on and off I will keep looking.
Ray Saintonge wrote:
Steve Block wrote:
Steve Block wrote:
The Cunctator wrote:
On 1/4/07, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
The Cunctator wrote:
I would note that "Game Over" comes from American video game culture
It's much older than. It appeared on pinball machines before video games ever existed.
Hmmm... you're going to have to edit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_over then...
Oh for crying out loud, what on earth does a referee's whistle mean at the end of a footie match if not game over? Christ, how many PE teachers around the world have called out come on in boys, game over...
I mean Thackery wrote in Vanity Fayre that "The Game, in her opinion, was over". That's a century before pinball culture. Did Americans invent sex too?
There are many examples like the one from Thackery. "The game was over" is somewhat different because of the "was". I looked at Google Books and kept getting a lot of different situations where a sentence ended with "game", and the next one began with "Over". We are looking for its use as an interjection. Perhaps in something like this hypothetical sentence: "As he lay on his deathbed he realized it would soon be game over." The problem is not as easy as it seems.
Thackeray is probably the one to try, and probably why the OED cites him under it's section on these uses of the term game. I keep turning up tantalising snippets from google of Thackeary passages, the most recent being "Here Madam Esmond caught sight of her friend's tall frame as it strode up and down before the windows; and, the evening being warm, or her game over, she gave..." Now I haven't the context to ascribe any meaning to that snippet, since I don't have the whole work, but Thackeray is an author who did write of women and the games they play. Becky Sharpe springs to mind from the aforementioned Vanity Fair. I think there's more in this than meets the eye, and I think it serves Wikipedia to work out how best to describe this.