From: fun@thingy.apana.org.au (David Gerard) Subject: [WikiEN-l] How to work better with brittle users?
There's a common personality type for trouble on Wikipedia: brittle in interactions with others, can't tolerate ambiguity, so gets into rules-lawyering. Sees "common sense" and "judgement" mostly as excuses to exercise bias, not as recognition that all rules are fluid in the pursuit of our goal.
I am not thinking of any individual, but of a general type I've noticed. I think something about Wikipedia will tend to attract them. I would *guess* it's something that attracts people from further up the autistic spectrum than the general populace, but that's just speculation.
The point is that they're good and hard-working contributors, but can get difficult to work with. And putting them on a processing line that leads to arbitration strikes me as not being a good thing. Is there a better way? I welcome your thoughts and speculation.
I agree. No answer, but a great question.
And of course this is a general phenomenon on the Internet. In fact I read an article somewhere that there are a significant number of autistic individuals who are managing to earn a living primarily because computer-mediated interactions (email, etc.) provides some protective insulation against the direct personal contacts that they have trouble managing.
I don't think I'm going to mention where _I_ score on the AQ test, http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html
I've also opined (and got shot down on the basis of its being pure speculation) that some of these "brittle" contributors are just very _young._ I had a personal run-in with one contributor who indiscreetly revealed (or asserted) an age in the very early teens. I have to think that some of the emphasis on pop-culture, fancraft, Harry Potter, and Pokemon topics is age-related. And a certain degree of "brittleness" is characteristic of adolescents in general, and bright adolescents whose intellectual and emotional development is out of sync in particular.
A common characteristic of that age is a total inability to let things go and not sweat the small stuff. Every tiny rejection is fought tooth and nail, not for personal reasons of course, but because of The Principle Of The Thing.
I am sure that if I personally were fourteen years old right now I would a) be contributing to Wikipedia and b) would be one of those "brittle" and problematic users.
Instead of being the trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, reverent, and modest person I am now.
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--- "Daniel P. B. Smith" dpbsmith@verizon.net wrote:
Instead of being the trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, reverent, and modest person I am now.
I think you forgot "humble" :)
Great piece of insight.
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On 8/15/05, Daniel P. B. Smith dpbsmith@verizon.net wrote:
A common characteristic of that age is a total inability to let things go and not sweat the small stuff. Every tiny rejection is fought tooth and nail, not for personal reasons of course, but because of The Principle Of The Thing.
I am sure that if I personally were fourteen years old right now I would a) be contributing to Wikipedia and b) would be one of those "brittle" and problematic users.
You know, this is pretty much the feeling I got when I had my first experience of Wikiconflict. The other guy came across as an opinionated teenager.
I was amused to find that he'd had the same perception of me.
Daniel P. B. Smith (dpbsmith@verizon.net) [050815 23:48]:
I've also opined (and got shot down on the basis of its being pure speculation) that some of these "brittle" contributors are just very _young._ I had a personal run-in with one contributor who indiscreetly revealed (or asserted) an age in the very early teens. I have to think that some of the emphasis on pop-culture, fancraft, Harry Potter, and Pokemon topics is age-related. And a certain degree of "brittleness" is characteristic of adolescents in general, and bright adolescents whose intellectual and emotional development is out of sync in particular. A common characteristic of that age is a total inability to let things go and not sweat the small stuff. Every tiny rejection is fought tooth and nail, not for personal reasons of course, but because of The Principle Of The Thing. I am sure that if I personally were fourteen years old right now I would a) be contributing to Wikipedia and b) would be one of those "brittle" and problematic users. Instead of being the trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, reverent, and modest person I am now.
I don't think this requires being down on the young. Adults who do it are probably worst to deal with actually.
- d.
I have long felt that the wikipedia needs a better division of labour. For example, users who contribute bulk content tend to have trouble with NPOV. Users who edit (making redirects and improving wording and seeking NPOV) tend to get less credit for the finished product. And people who focus on policy pages and the wikipedia namespace tend to become admins more than those who do not. I find the anon/user/admin/bureaucrat/developer distinction an unfortunate one. Too often people are punished rather than praised for their efforts by a system that rewards cliqiness and attempts to modify behaviour with punitive and legalistic process and punishments. We need a way to maximise strengths, minimize weaknesses, and REWARD good behaviour.
Jack (Sam Spade)