Mark, There are Wikimedia affiliated IRC channels on Freenode. Thanks for getting even the basics wrong. Thanks, GerardM

On 7/30/07, Mark Ryan ultrablue@gmail.com wrote:

Hello everyone.

As a few of you may know, about 5 weeks ago some new guidelines were put into place on meta for the IRC channel #wikipedia. At the same time, the operator access list for the channel was emptied and started from scratch.

The changes were quite unpopular, to say the least. A discussion thread was started about them on the foundation-l mailing list, but probably should have been started on wikipedia-l.

Now that I am back from my holiday, I have opened a review discussion about the guidelines on their talk page on meta, which you can access at the follow URL:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:IRC_guidelines/wikipedia

I would very much appreciate the input there of all people who have an interest in the guidelines, and indeed any users of the Wikipedia-affiliated IRC channels on Freenode.

~Mark Ryan

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The relative failure of the IRC guidelines should be exhibit A for those who feel that things are improved by the addition of policy and process.

IRC was not broken when this ham-handed attempt to fix it was enacted. Unsurprisingly, it is difficult to fix non-existent problems.

Best, Phil Sandifer sandifer@english.ufl.edu

You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door. There is a small mailbox here.

On Jul 30, 2007, at 12:35 PM, Mark Ryan wrote:

Hello everyone.

As a few of you may know, about 5 weeks ago some new guidelines were put into place on meta for the IRC channel #wikipedia. At the same time, the operator access list for the channel was emptied and started from scratch.

The changes were quite unpopular, to say the least. A discussion thread was started about them on the foundation-l mailing list, but probably should have been started on wikipedia-l.

Now that I am back from my holiday, I have opened a review discussion about the guidelines on their talk page on meta, which you can access at the follow URL:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:IRC_guidelines/wikipedia

I would very much appreciate the input there of all people who have an interest in the guidelines, and indeed any users of the Wikipedia-affiliated IRC channels on Freenode.

~Mark Ryan

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