Is there a Wikipedia forum, the mailing list is all well & good, but wouldn't a forum be much more useful?!
Tris
2009/4/9 Tris Thomas Tris@waterhay.co.uk:
Is there a Wikipedia forum, the mailing list is all well & good, but wouldn't a forum be much more useful?!
Not an official one.
- d.
Doesn't the mainstream media read this mailing list? I am hoping they will take up the issue of the persecution of Alan Cabal at the hands of many Wikipedians.
Bill
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2009/4/9 Tris Thomas Tris@waterhay.co.uk:
Is there a Wikipedia forum, the mailing list is all well & good, but wouldn't a forum be much more useful?!
Not an official one.
- d.
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Bill Carter wrote:
Doesn't the mainstream media read this mailing list? I am hoping they will take up the issue of the persecution of Alan Cabal at the hands of many Wikipedians.
Why should they? Consensus seems to have been comprehensively established that he's not notable to our standards. See [[WP:HOLE]].
An unofficial one that editors frequent?
On 09/04/2009 20:48, David Gerard wrote:
2009/4/9 Tris ThomasTris@waterhay.co.uk:
Is there a Wikipedia forum, the mailing list is all well& good, but wouldn't a forum be much more useful?!
Not an official one.
- d.
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The - uh - main one is pretty politically contraversial.
Bian
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Tris Thomas Tris@waterhay.co.uk wrote:
An unofficial one that editors frequent?
On 09/04/2009 20:48, David Gerard wrote:
2009/4/9 Tris ThomasTris@waterhay.co.uk:
Is there a Wikipedia forum, the mailing list is all well& Â good, but wouldn't a forum be much more useful?!
Not an official one.
- d.
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Confused now??!!
On 09/04/2009 20:52, Wily D wrote:
The - uh - main one is pretty politically contraversial.
Bian
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Tris ThomasTris@waterhay.co.uk wrote:
An unofficial one that editors frequent?
On 09/04/2009 20:48, David Gerard wrote:
2009/4/9 Tris ThomasTris@waterhay.co.uk:
Is there a Wikipedia forum, the mailing list is all well& good, but wouldn't a forum be much more useful?!
Not an official one.
- d.
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There is Wikipedia Review: http://wikipediareview.com/ It is not considered favourably by many.
2009/4/9 Tris Thomas Tris@waterhay.co.uk:
Confused now??!!
On 09/04/2009 20:52, Wily D wrote:
The - uh - main one is pretty politically contraversial.
Bian
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Tris ThomasTris@waterhay.co.uk  wrote:
An unofficial one that editors frequent?
On 09/04/2009 20:48, David Gerard wrote:
2009/4/9 Tris ThomasTris@waterhay.co.uk:
Is there a Wikipedia forum, the mailing list is all well& Â Â good, but wouldn't a forum be much more useful?!
Not an official one.
- d.
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Can you get Wikipedia Review to take up issue with the speedy deletion on March 30th, 2009 of the re-created Alan Cabal article, which was followed by a demented deletion review a day later I believe? Here's the article in question about journalist Alan Cabal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox_The_unloved_articl...
It looks to me to be a fucking notable article with plenty of citations.
Bill
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There is Wikipedia Review: http://wikipediareview.com/ It is not considered favourably by many.
2009/4/9 Tris Thomas Tris@waterhay.co.uk:
Confused now??!!
On 09/04/2009 20:52, Wily D wrote:
The - uh - main one is pretty politically contraversial.
Bian
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Tris ThomasTris@waterhay.co.uk wrote:
An unofficial one that editors frequent?
On 09/04/2009 20:48, David Gerard wrote:
2009/4/9 Tris ThomasTris@waterhay.co.uk:
Is there a Wikipedia forum, the mailing list is all well& good, but wouldn't a forum be much more useful?!
Not an official one.
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Bill Carter wrote:
Can you get Wikipedia Review to take up issue with the speedy deletion on March 30th, 2009 of the re-created Alan Cabal article, which was followed by a demented deletion review a day later I believe? Here's the article in question about journalist Alan Cabal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox_The_unloved_articl...
It looks to me to be a fucking notable article with plenty of citations.
Mosey over there. They'll make you feel right at home.
Charles
Wikipedia Review will make me feel right at home? You mean they'll address this issue which none of you Wikipedia administrators intend to, particularly David Gerard? What's the fucking point of you guys being administrators when you won't address important issues? Since when is it okay to speedy delete a new article re-created with the intentions of addressing all of Wikipedia's notability demands? You guys are running a reckless website and actually receive a deserved amount of negative press.
The article in question about journalist Alan Cabal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox_The_unloved_articl...
Bill
________________________________ From: Charles Matthews charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 4:23:02 PM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Forum
Bill Carter wrote:
Can you get Wikipedia Review to take up issue with the speedy deletion on March 30th, 2009 of the re-created Alan Cabal article, which was followed by a demented deletion review a day later I believe? Here's the article in question about journalist Alan Cabal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox_The_unloved_articl...
It looks to me to be a fucking notable article with plenty of citations.
Mosey over there. They'll make you feel right at home.
Charles
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As someone who does post to WR, [queue hiss boos from the true-believers], I did consider taking your case there.
However, then I looked at your "article" and the surrounding debate and decided it had no merits whatsoever.
Perhaps I can refer you to this page for further help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:STICK
Bill Carter wrote:
Wikipedia Review will make me feel right at home? You mean they'll address this issue which none of you Wikipedia administrators intend to, particularly David Gerard? What's the fucking point of you guys being administrators when you won't address important issues? Since when is it okay to speedy delete a new article re-created with the intentions of addressing all of Wikipedia's notability demands? You guys are running a reckless website and actually receive a deserved amount of negative press.
The article in question about journalist Alan Cabal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox_The_unloved_articl...
Bill
From: Charles Matthews charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 4:23:02 PM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Forum
Earlier today I was actually relatively supportive of your issue. You, with your last few posts, have turned me against it. I won't try & stop it being put on again, but there will be no more support from my end. Firstly, this isn't an administrators mailing list, I've only been a member for a few days-my username is dottydotdot & I can still participate fully. Just because not many people have replied to your stuff about Cabal doesn't give you the right to get angry & start swearing on what was a perfectly civil mailing list. I highly doubt you will get any support from anyone on this mailing list now, people who once might have supported you.
Please don't bother to continue your diatribe.
Thank you. :-)
On 09/04/2009 21:27, Bill Carter wrote:
Wikipedia Review will make me feel right at home? You mean they'll address this issue which none of you Wikipedia administrators intend to, particularly David Gerard? What's the fucking point of you guys being administrators when you won't address important issues? Since when is it okay to speedy delete a new article re-created with the intentions of addressing all of Wikipedia's notability demands? You guys are running a reckless website and actually receive a deserved amount of negative press.
The article in question about journalist Alan Cabal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox_The_unloved_articl...
Bill
From: Charles Matthewscharles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com To: English Wikipediawikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 4:23:02 PM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Forum
Bill Carter wrote:
Can you get Wikipedia Review to take up issue with the speedy deletion on March 30th, 2009 of the re-created Alan Cabal article, which was followed by a demented deletion review a day later I believe? Here's the article in question about journalist Alan Cabal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox_The_unloved_articl...
It looks to me to be a fucking notable article with plenty of citations.
Mosey over there. They'll make you feel right at home.
Charles
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And we shall all hold hands and love one another, right? You obviously have no consideration for fairness and accuracy.
I will raise this issue for as long as it takes. You can return to your apathy now.
For everyone else, take my angry diatribes seriously and verify the accusations I am making. the article with 40 citations that was speedy deleted remains here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox_The_unloved_articl...
Bill
________________________________ From: Tris Thomas Tris@waterhay.co.uk To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 4:40:53 PM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Forum
Earlier today I was actually relatively supportive of your issue. You, with your last few posts, have turned me against it. I won't try & stop it being put on again, but there will be no more support from my end. Firstly, this isn't an administrators mailing list, I've only been a member for a few days-my username is dottydotdot & I can still participate fully. Just because not many people have replied to your stuff about Cabal doesn't give you the right to get angry & start swearing on what was a perfectly civil mailing list. I highly doubt you will get any support from anyone on this mailing list now, people who once might have supported you.
Please don't bother to continue your diatribe.
Thank you. :-)
On 09/04/2009 21:27, Bill Carter wrote:
Wikipedia Review will make me feel right at home? You mean they'll address this issue which none of you Wikipedia administrators intend to, particularly David Gerard? What's the fucking point of you guys being administrators when you won't address important issues? Since when is it okay to speedy delete a new article re-created with the intentions of addressing all of Wikipedia's notability demands? You guys are running a reckless website and actually receive a deserved amount of negative press.
The article in question about journalist Alan Cabal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox_The_unloved_articl...
Bill
From: Charles Matthewscharles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com To: English Wikipediawikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 4:23:02 PM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Forum
Bill Carter wrote:
Can you get Wikipedia Review to take up issue with the speedy deletion on March 30th, 2009 of the re-created Alan Cabal article, which was followed by a demented deletion review a day later I believe? Here's the article in question about journalist Alan Cabal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox_The_unloved_articl...
It looks to me to be a fucking notable article with plenty of citations.
Mosey over there. They'll make you feel right at home.
Charles
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2009/4/9 Bill Carter billdeancarter@yahoo.com:
I will raise this issue for as long as it takes. You can return to your apathy now.
You're back on moderation while you're on this subject then.
- d.
Thank you! Please don't send his rubbish to me!
On 09/04/2009 21:47, David Gerard wrote:
2009/4/9 Bill Carterbilldeancarter@yahoo.com:
I will raise this issue for as long as it takes. You can return to your apathy now.
You're back on moderation while you're on this subject then.
- d.
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Thank you, David Gerard. I wish you the best of luck with your quotation: "I think NPOV is our greatest innovation, much more radical than letting anyone edit the website."
________________________________ From: David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 4:47:35 PM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Forum
2009/4/9 Bill Carter billdeancarter@yahoo.com:
I will raise this issue for as long as it takes. You can return to your apathy now.
You're back on moderation while you're on this subject then.
- d.
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Bill Carter schreef:
For everyone else, take my angry diatribes seriously and verify the accusations I am making. the article with 40 citations that was speedy deleted remains here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox_The_unloved_articl...
The article is excellently referenced, but it just fails to make me care. Why is this journalist more interesting than others? What makes him notable? Give us a reason why he should have an article. I'm as inclusionist as no other, but this article doesn't show me in any way how Alan Cabal is different from his colleagues, who don't get an article.
(And don't post it to the list: edit the article to make it clear why it should be returned to the encyclopedia.)
Eugene
I know what you mean. I fail to see the relevance of all those baseball articles.
2009/4/9 Eugene van der Pijll eugene@vanderpijll.nl:
Bill Carter schreef:
For everyone else, take my angry diatribes seriously and verify the accusations I am making. the article with 40 citations that was speedy deleted remains here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox_The_unloved_articl...
The article is excellently referenced, but it just fails to make me care. Why is this journalist more interesting than others? What makes him notable? Give us a reason why he should have an article. I'm as inclusionist as no other, but this article doesn't show me in any way how Alan Cabal is different from his colleagues, who don't get an article.
(And don't post it to the list: edit the article to make it clear why it should be returned to the encyclopedia.)
Eugene
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2009/4/9 Tris Thomas Tris@waterhay.co.uk:
An unofficial one that editors frequent?
Closest I can think of is the Village Pump :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VP
UninvitedCompany started a forum a while ago which attracted a good range of editors, but which I haven't heard much of lately. (I can't stand the forum interface myself.)
- d.
Some time ago we had the Wikback, but ever since UninvitedCompany left that's been down in the drain. Personally I like forums better than mailing lists, but I'm not planning to go to WR just to get a "forum experience."
bibliomaniac15
--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Tris Thomas Tris@waterhay.co.uk wrote: From: Tris Thomas Tris@waterhay.co.uk Subject: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Forum To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 12:46 PM
Is there a Wikipedia forum, the mailing list is all well & good, but wouldn't a forum be much more useful?!
Tris
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Threaded, dated, attributed, multi-cast, and searchable forums are hard to beat for my way of thinking, which is slow and re-worded when it is not delayed or cancelled. There is Internet Relay Chat (IRC) if you want real-time, and I recommend reading the guidelines for contributions, because it's a pretty strictly business chat-line. I imajin there is tolerance from some moderators, there, though, because after all, encyclopedias are about everything.
This *IS* the wikipedia forum. It is about everything but religion, sex, politics, and drugs (For me that is. Your scope may vary). _______ Zen Master to hot dog vendor "Make me one with everything.".