I'd like to chime in on this topic: I doubt very much that Fred was implying that certain users have a de facto (if not de jure) status which allows them to violate Wikipedia policy. If Fred was, I hope he'll explain why, but as I said, I doubt very much that he meant this.
Instead, I think what he was pointing out is really a very simple truth, and one that I think cannot be fairly called "rankism" (even if it appears in some ways to be "rankist"). Wikipedia, because of its very nature, attracts both the good and the bad from the Internet. Upon a user's arrival, it is often difficult to tell why they are here, how well-informed they are on certain topics, what they are willing to do in terms of finding consensus, etc. Gradually, water finds its own level, and it becomes obvious to most people in the community that certain users are unreliable, here to make trouble, etc., and that certain other users are generally reliable, here to contribute, etc. "Assume good faith" is a wonderful principle that is very important when dealing with newcomers especially (and one we can still improve on, I think). It remains an important principle for dealing with experienced editors, but with experienced editors it can be informed by that editor's track record. This is not to say that _policies_ should apply differently to experienced users, but I think _editors_ can _choose_ to interact differently with "old hands" and there's nothing wrong with it.
I'm not defending the protection of the page until Adam returns -- I think it's better not to do so. I agree that it seems rankist. But I don't see anything wrong with saying that Adam has a track record (in my opinion, and I think in the opinion of many if not most community members) of being reliable, fairly reasonable, and a good contributor. Based on this, I would be more inclined personally to give him the benefit of the doubt, and I would advise others to do so, simply because I know Adam's work is almost always very good. If he is wrong in this case, I would still say that extending him some grace will almost surely pay off, since having a good relationship with an intelligent and usually accrate contributor will almost surely help me be a better collaborator and contributor for Wikipedia -- I can say this with confidence based on my knowledge of Adam, which I could not say with confidence about an unknown user (or a new user). It has nothing to do with elitism and everything to do with experience.
You who are complaining about Adam's conduct may not know him well. You may also be seeing a side of Adam I haven't. Either way, I don't see that there's a problem with a user (arbitrator or no) commenting that, in their experience, Adam's a good fellow and a smart one, and so even if he's wrong here it might be a good thing to try to promote a positive and collaborative atmosphere with him. It may be that Fred didn't communicate this well (or that he wasn't trying to communicate it), but it's how I took Fred's comment, and certainly it expresses my view of the situation (knowing the subject matter and the dispute not at all). I think Fred's comments about sociology, etc., are intended to point to the simple truth I have tried to talk about at considerably more length (and probably much less eloquently), which is merely that over time a member of any group will become known in that group, and because their conduct is well-known, it makes sense to interact with them according to a different set of expectations.
If I made a little joke about your writing skills, you might never forgive me -- you don't know me. If an old acquaintance did, you might take the crack a little more easily because of your history with them. If a man or woman you loved made the comment, you might be able to bear it very easily (or even find it funny), knowing as you do their experiences in life, with writing, and how their week had gone. Maybe that's not a perfect analogy for the situation, but I hope it at least illustrates somewhat the principle here, which I don't believe has much to do with "ranks of users". If I'm screwing up or violating policy, I expect to get hell for it from anybody and everybody here -- I don't want "special treatment" and I am sure I won't get it. But I think I will be spoken to and interacted with a little differently than a user who has established a career at Wikipedia of nothing but screw-ups and violated policies, and I don't think that's a bad thing -- it's the nature of human interaction.
Sorry so long -- as usual my comments have probably outlasted the attention of the mailing list. Happy new year to all who observe the Gregorian calendar,
James R. en:User:Jwrosenzweig
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On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:47:31 -0800 (PST), James Rosenzweig jwrosenzweig@yahoo.com wrote:
Sorry so long -- as usual my comments have probably outlasted the attention of the mailing list. Happy new year to all who observe the Gregorian calendar,
Heh. One new year is as good as another. If we were to have a "natural" new year, it would fall on the solstice, not ten days later. Let us confound Julius and Gregory and issue a general reversion. Backdated, of course.
I understand what you are saying about long-established editors, but my experience with Adam is that he relies on opinion rather than sources, at least in this rather specialised area of constitutional theory and practice, where very few of us are experts and we must rely on the published opinions of those who are. To note one point, Adam seems to think that the constitutional powers of the Governor-General are delegated by the Queen under s2. This is a popular (and partisan) notion, but the reality is that the constitutional powers of the Governor-General are given to him in his own right and they derive from the people rather than the monarch. s64, for example, is the reserve power which Sir John Kerr used to dismiss Gough Whitlam in 1975. It is given to the Governor-General alone and cannot be exercised by the Queen, nor is it one that is subject to any sort of direction, instruction or approval from the Queen. It cannot be withdrawn or amended by the Queen. It was set down by our founding fathers at a peoples' convention, given authority by the people in the ballots to approve the Constitution, and may only be amended or removed with the consent of the people under a double majority laid down in s128. The Queen has no say in the matter.
That is one example out of many, and while Adam may be a whiz in other areas, it is clear to me that in the matter of constitutional practice, he does not display a great deal of knowledge or understanding. I ask him for sources to back up his opinions, he becomes evasive and abusive, and a tame admin appears to issue blocks, reverts and protections. I do not know Adam well enough to state whether this is his usual practice, but to my mind it reflects very poorly on him.