The objection was that no work was cited which
applied the concept of
"altruistic genes" to communism and that therefore the claim was "original
research". I believe you cited Wikipedia's altruism article when a citation
was asked for but that article neither had a citation for the claim nor did
it even make the claim itself and this was pointed out to you. The additions
you made did not add a citation or, in any way, mitigate the "original
research" complaint, it simply compounded the problem. Not only did you keep
90% of the paragraph that was originally removed, you added more
questionable material and didn't even bother taking the matter to Talk for
discussion.
I don't see how your edit can be seen as anything but a reversion just as
the following would be a reversion:
a) someone had written in an article "John Smith is a jerk"
b) that statement was removed and
c) you inserted "John Smith is a jerk, and he really smells"
You didn't do anything to address the complaint. You didn't discuss the
matter in talk. You did not fulfill the request for citations, you simply
reinserted almost all of the original paragraph and then made it longer.
Frankly, that not only looks like a reversion, it's a reversion which adds
insult to injury by making the disputed passage even longer and more
questionable.
You then ignored a warning that you had reverted 3x and that a fourth
occasion would result in a temp ban. You didn't then take the issue to talk,
you just reverted an additional time. And then you come here to claim you've
been hard done by!
AndyL
on 1/2/05 1:55 PM, actionforum(a)comcast.net at actionforum(a)comcast.net wrote:
The changes I made were to show the connective
logic by which my statement
was
not original research, which was your extremely brief and unclear objection.
Sometimes small changes can be significant, for instance if you ever read
the
added wikilink to "altruism" you would see there is a substantial evolution
section. Changes do not have to be contiguous to be responsive to
objections.
My change elsewhere was related to my insert, and a further answer to the
objection, making the connection clear. Although it would be flattering, I
doubt that I am the first person to realize that "to each according to his
ability" is "altruism", or that altruistic memes ride on phenotypes that
evolved in smaller social groups where kinship was more likely.
My changes were not reverts, the substantive and responsive, to wholesale
reversions to earlier versions with the rather cryptic "original research"
complement as an explanation.
-- Silverback
-------------- Original message --------------
>> Comparing Silverback's edit at Jan 1, 20:30 to the one at Dec 31,
>> 07:22 it seems to not have been a revert,
>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Communism&diff=9017540&ol…
>> 53
>> 93
>> since he changed the disputed paragraph quite a bit.
>
> He hasn't changed the paragraph as much as add to it. The problematic,
> undocumented original research is still there:
>
>> [Altruism]] [[evolution|evolves]] when those being helped have a strong
>> likelyhood of sharing those same altruistic [[gene|genes]]. Altruistic,
>> non-individualistic, [[memes]] such as communism may gain their
>> persuasive,
>> replicative power by riding on these genes, in much the same way that
>> humans
>> have been convinced to sacrifice for nationalism even though large nation
>> states did not exist during most of their evolution. More selfish genes,
>> which
>> tend to reinforce or reward altruistic or cooperative behavior in others
>> may
>> also be of assistance to the communism meme.
>
> Is the Libertas version that caused the original problem of which
> Silverback
> reinstated the following (that is all but the first sentence from above):
>
>> Altruistic, non-individualistic, [[memes]] such as communism may gain
>> their
>> persuasive, replicative power by "riding" on these genes, in much the
same
>> way
>> that humans have been convinced to sacrifice for nationalism even though
>> large
>> nation states did not exist during most of their evolution. More selfish
>> genes,
>> which tend to reinforce or reward altruistic or cooperative behavior in
>> others
>> may also be of assistance to the communism meme.
>
> And added:
>> The explanation for the development of [[Altruism|altruistic genes]] by
>> [[evolution|natural selection]] is that those being helped have must a
>> strong
>> likelyhood of sharing those same altruistic [[gene|genes]].
>
> to the beginning and:
>> Without the presence of altrustic behavior in humans and the appeal of
>> altruistic behavior in others to humans, communism and other altruistic or
>> collectivist memes, such as nationalism, religion, charity, etc. would
>> have
>> no
>> appeal to humans
>
> To the end. Given what he reinstated, unaltered, from Libertas' version I
> don't see how the edit in question can be described as anything but a
> reversion. A reversion with other changes made but a reversion
> nevertheless.
>
> AndyL
>
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