And when I warned him about NPA for this edit summary: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:The_Cunctator&diff=prev&… He removed my warning off his talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AThe_Cunctator&dif… Figures. Ryan On 2/6/06, Sam Korn <smoddy(a)gmail.com> wrote:

The Cunctator wrote: I believe that Steve was talking about your protection of your user page. Also, people aren't required to get permission before editing a page. Please read the protection policy: --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Protection_policy Chris -- Chris Jenkinson chris(a)starglade.org "Mistrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful." -- Friedrich Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra

The Cunctator wrote: I'm not sure how Drini violated "don't be a dick". All he did was remove a rather uncivil userbox from your user page, and repeated his action when you re-added it (twice). You then proceeded to call him a "sanctimonious jerk". Chris -- Chris Jenkinson chris(a)starglade.org "Mistrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful." -- Friedrich Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra

Admins must not protect pages they are actively engaged in editing, except in the case of simple vandalism. So, one person violates "It is considered polite", and another violates "Admins must not". You don't really think you're in the right here, do you? I can understand how things happen in the heat of the moment, but in retrospect, it's pretty clear which one of you is at fault. It seems that Drini was acting in the bests interests of WP - he even stated in the edit summary "rm aggressive divisive userbox". For what it's worth, here's the edit history of The Cunctator's user page. # (cur) (last) 03:41, 7 February 2006 The Cunctator (It's getting a bit --what's the word -- nicey nicey? velvet rope? mm.) # (cur) (last) 03:16, 7 February 2006 The Cunctator m (I like how I've been managing to make fun of userboxes from day one without even knowing it. Now it even looks like one!) # (cur) (last) 03:10, 7 February 2006 The Cunctator m # (cur) (last) 02:46, 7 February 2006 The Cunctator (The Featured articles are, imho, some of the worst entries in Wikipedia.) # (cur) (last) 16:11, 6 February 2006 The Cunctator m # (cur) (last) 16:11, 6 February 2006 The Cunctator (Here's a more polite version, you sanctimonious jerk.) # (cur) (last) 06:55, 6 February 2006 Drini (yes but it goes against WP:CIVIL policy) # (cur) (last) 04:45, 6 February 2006 The Cunctator (For the second time.) # (cur) (last) 21:53, 5 February 2006 Drini (rm aggresive attacking userbox) # (cur) (last) 20:50, 5 February 2006 The Cunctator m (I'd like to be able to state my own opinions.) # (cur) (last) 22:13, 4 February 2006 Drini (rm aggressive divisive userbox) Sorry, I'll let it go now. Just a bit disappointed. Steve

On 2/6/06, Fred Bauder <fredbaud(a)ctelco.net> wrote: I didn't make any personal attacks. I think the phrase "Counter Vandalism Unit" has fascistic overtones, and I think it's lame. I wasn't trying to broadcast this or stomp on everyone's fun, just state my opinion on my own userpage. I wasn't forcing this down anyone's throats, nor making any personal attacks. I had no idea who any of the people involved were.

On 2/6/06, Guettarda <guettarda(a)gmail.com> wrote: I already did.

On 2/6/06, Philip Welch <wikipedia(a)philwelch.net> wrote: I'm surprised that you think that admins have the right to put a stop to the CVU.

On 2/6/06, Philip Welch <wikipedia(a)philwelch.net> wrote: Well, since you're willing to give me enough credit to recognize antecedents, maybe you'd be willing to consider that I'm making a serious point, one that's been agreed with by other people. Are they blatantly trolling too?

On 2/6/06, Philip Welch <wikipedia(a)philwelch.net> wrote: That's not what I wrote. Mischaracterizing other people's words is the textbook definition of a strawman argument, or as we used to call it "just making stuff up." Okay, we didn't call it "stuff".

On 2/6/06, Philip Welch <wikipedia(a)philwelch.net> wrote: If I had the authority, I would forgive you your trespasses, but I'm just another humble soul. Not as humble as John S. Novak, though. I do forgive you for paraphrasing. I hope you'll consider taking my criticisms seriously. My sense of outrage at the project's name was entirely earnest, by the way. Forgive me for dropping in from time to time and expressing, like Rip Van Winkle, my shock at how things change. The fact that I complain loudly about the things I think are wrong and don't loudly praise the bulk of things that are good (and there is, of course, much new good--templating, categorizing, bots, the Foundation, etc. are being used well the majority of the time) shouldn't be taken as a characterization of my overall opinion of How Things Are Going. But the changes I think are pure unmitigated crap, or simply pulling the project in the wrong direction, do upset me and I will rail against.