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Doug Henkle

8 Nov 2007 8 Nov '07

9:51 p.m.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Vick http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/ The archive search index was last rebuilt at Wednesday, 19 Sep 2007 I thought for sure that there was a discussion recently on the List about Graham Vick and the fact that he was profiled in Grove, and because Grove was unreliable, his page was going to be deleted. Unfortunately, I didn't save the messages and they can't be found in the Archives because the DAILY rebuild/re-indexing hasn't been done in almost two months. I looked him up at the Public Library and just added three more references for him, two of which (Hamilton & Warrack/West) are NOT Grove. ____________________________________________________________ Doug Henkle - mailto:henkle@pobox.com P.O. Box 1447, Oshkosh, WI 54903-1447

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Oldak Quill

8 Nov 8 Nov

10:39 p.m.

On 08/11/2007, Doug Henkle <henkle(a)pobox.com> wrote:

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Searching my archives of the list, I can't find any mentions of Graham Vick. -- Oldak Quill (oldakquill(a)gmail.com)

William Pietri

11:49 p.m.

Oldak Quill wrote:

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On 08/11/2007, Doug Henkle <henkle(a)pobox.com> wrote:

Searching my archives of the list, I can't find any mentions of Graham Vick.

Likewise. My copy goes back to the beginning of the year, and I find no mentions of Graham Vick. Grove (in the sense of musical reference material rather than toponyms) has come up in several threads this year: circa 5/19: The Madness of King Infobox circa 5/30: And now for a word on trivial BLPs circa 6/30: A much neglected aspect of quality - Bibliographies circa 9/12: JSTOR and free external links circa 10/30: Alfredo_Kraus citations I hope that helps. William -- William Pietri <william(a)scissor.com> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:William_Pietri

Guy Chapman aka JzG

9 Nov 9 Nov

12:02 a.m.

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:49:11 -0800, William Pietri <william(a)scissor.com> wrote:

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circa 6/30: A much neglected aspect of quality - Bibliographies

Ah, bibliographies. No article on a Southern Baptism minister is complete without its full list of all the tracts published by the Church's press on subjects like "why God hates fags", "King James is the only true Bible" and various other recurrent themes. I often wonder if anyone actually reads them, but suspect that unfortunately they do. Guy (JzG) -- http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JzG

Philip Sandifer

1:36 p.m.

On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Doug Henkle wrote:

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Why on Earth would Grove be unreliable? -Phil

Doug Henkle

2:39 p.m.

At 08:36 AM 11-09-2007 -0500, you wrote:

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On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Doug Henkle wrote:

Why on Earth would Grove be unreliable?

Oops, I found it. It was a discussion at "Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera", http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Opera on the subject of "'Notability' or not of Grove". It is no longer on that page, and I don't know where past WikiProject Opera subjects are archived, but it is still in Google's "cache" at, http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:PTLvJZy8n8oJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wik… Scroll down to "Contents" and click on 7 'Notability' or not of Grove The discussion started with this: "Hope this isn't going to develop into a problem, but a user called User:Doctorfluffy has queried the notability of Graham Vick because the Grove referenced article (quote) "is itself unsourced [not actually true] and doesn't establish notability " (end quote). Doctorfluffy's 'mission' explained on his user page is to expose the non-notability of large numbers of WP articles. -- Kleinzach 00:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)" I'm sorry I incorrectly assumed that "Doctorfluffy" was an Administrator, and that his mission had been discussed on this list. - From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Doctorfluffy "My Mission The English Wikipedia has over 2,000,000 articles. That's absurd. Anyone who even glances at the notability policy will immediately realize that there are clearly not that many notable subjects in existence. There is so much crap on here that it makes my head spin. As such, my goal here is to remove all garbage from Wikipedia. I enjoy tagging articles and participating in AFDs and I am strongly against all forms of cruftery." ____________________________________________________________ Doug Henkle - mailto:henkle@pobox.com

Philip Sandifer

2:59 p.m.

On Nov 9, 2007, at 9:39 AM, Doug Henkle wrote:

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At 08:36 AM 11-09-2007 -0500, you wrote:

On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Doug Henkle wrote:

Why on Earth would Grove be unreliable?

David Gerard

3:11 p.m.

On 09/11/2007, Philip Sandifer <snowspinner(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Blocked as a sockpuppet (per checkuser) of User:Pilotbob, who I note is presently blocked for 24 hours for querulous AFD nominations. Another sock is User:AndalusianNaugahyde. I've placed a note on WT:AFD about this. - d.

David Goodman

3:24 p.m.

Further, on his talk page, he explains with respect to a question from me, that, if he !votes at AfD, it will only be to !vote "delete" "I wouldn't participate in an AfD where I would vote 'keep' since my primary goal is to trim down Wikipedia" and goes on to say that at AfD: "any vote is a contribution to the discussion, even if contains no rationale whatsoever." The appropriate response might seem to ignore his voice there until he can show that he does know the rationales for discriminating between encyclopedic and not encyclopedic content. But then a little further down we read: "I'd definitely been into forming a group of like-minded souls. There are quite a few users who frequent AfDs, some of which surely would be interested as well. it would be nice to have a group to help spread the word." So I suppose we must be on the lookout for meat-puppets and canvassing as well, since his declared intent is to form such a bloc.

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I'm sorry I incorrectly assumed that "Doctorfluffy" was an Administrator, and that his mission had been discussed on this list. - From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Doctorfluffy "My Mission The English Wikipedia has over 2,000,000 articles. That's absurd. Anyone who even glances at the notability policy will immediately realize that there are clearly not that many notable subjects in existence. There is so much crap on here that it makes my head spin. As such, my goal here is to remove all garbage from Wikipedia. I enjoy tagging articles and participating in AFDs and I am strongly against all forms of cruftery."

So the issue here is that Doctorfluffy is not interested in writing an encyclopedia so much as destroying one, and raises querrelous and ill- founded objections, not that an Oxford-published source is unreliable? OK. That's comforting. -Phil _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

I further quote from his user -- David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.

joshua.zelinsky＠yale.edu

3:55 p.m.

Since it has been blocked as a sock, I'm in the process of removing its comments from still open AfDs. I however have other things that need to get done now. If someone else could finish that up I'd appreciate it. Quoting David Goodman <dgoodmanny(a)gmail.com>om>:

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I further quote from his user -- David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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David Gerard
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Guy Chapman aka JzG
joshua.zelinsky＠yale.edu
Oldak Quill
Philip Sandifer
William Pietri