Oh give me a fucking break and stop lying.
"If you construct your messages with meaning and civility, they will be readily accepted onto the mailing list, regardless of what you are arguing. This moderation is to maintain respectful conversation on the mailing list, not to censor your views."
Been there. Seen that. Once you have "moderated" someone, they're never heard from again. It doesn't matter if they send a one-line "I agree with user X" email, it NEVER fucking makes it through moderation.
This is ALL about censorship. You do it solely to ensure that dissent is never heard, the exact same thing you did to Marmot for dissenting about the way Admins cover up each other's crimes.
I'll freely admit that YOU could construe what I said as personal attacks. You know what? They were also the truth. Just as what I'm saying NOW is the truth, but you'll try to ban me for it anyways.
That's why I'm anonymous. Because I don't trust 90% of this list's membership not to go hunting through the Wikipedia userbase trying to find my account and block it out of spite.
Civility will be had when you start behaving civilly yourselves. The way you have treated Yoder, the way you have treated Marmot, and the way you treated Kurita77 were anything BUT civil.
Oh wait, I forgot. Policy only fucking matters when there's an admin wielding it. And heaven forbid that a user point out when the Admins are acting like a bunch of power-mad thugs, or even come to this list with a good-faith request to get their account back.
"I may be forced to make mailing list subscriptions by approval only, which would have the effect of hindering community participation in the mailing list. As I'm sure you appreciate how undesirable an outcome that would be, I'm sure you will respect my requests."
You've already destroyed community participation on the mailing list, so I don't see how I could do any more damage than you've already done. Like I just said, you'll get my respect back when you stop acting like a bunch of power-mad thugs and start acting like Wikipedians again.
A.Nony Mouse
From: Mark Ryan ultrablue@gmail.com Reply-To: Mark Ryan ultrablue@gmail.com,English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] SHOWCASING Abuses of Admin Power Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 17:57:17 +0800
For the public record, this user is not "booted off the list". Rather, he or she is mdoerated, with postings to be approved by moderators. Here is an email I sent to this anonymous user:
You (and your other two accounts) have been moderated on WikiEN-l because you were rude and abusive to others. The WikiEN-l mailing list information page is at the following URL: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
You must have seen this page to subscribe your accounts to the mailing list. You will notice down the bottom it says "[u]sers who are extremely disruptive or uncivil may be banned from the mailing list by the [mailing list] administrators". As I am sure you will freely concede, your messages were very rude towards certain other subscribers of the mailing list. Here are a couple of examples from your messages:
"you are nothing but a fascist hag anyways" "Give Gerard my regards if you can be bothered to stop fellating him long enough to speak." "running around like a complete fat fool" "you idiots spend your time jerking off" "power-mad cretins"
In view of this extreme lack of civility on your part, you are hereby moderated on this mailing list. Any messages you now send to the mailing list will be held for approval by one of the list's moderators. If you construct your messages with meaning and civility, they will be readily accepted onto the mailing list, regardless of what you are arguing. This moderation is to maintain respectful conversation on the mailing list, not to censor your views.
If, however, you continue to create new anonymous accounts (we're up to 3 now), I may be forced to make mailing list subscriptions by approval only, which would have the effect of hindering community participation in the mailing list. As I'm sure you appreciate how undesirable an outcome that would be, I'm sure you will respect my requests.
~Mark Ryan WikiEN-l Mailing List Administrator
On 7/2/05, A. Nony Mouse tempforcomments3@hotmail.com wrote:
Whoops! Looks like somebody didn't like the truth told of them, they
booted
me off the list for speaking truth to power.
You wanted abuse of power? There you have it JT.
Seems to happen a lot around here and on Wikipedia. Speak truth to the circle-jerk of power mad fools known as Admins, get booted.
Ambi is the Red Queen of arbcom - running around like a complete fat
fool,
screaming "Orf Wiv is 'ead" whenever a case comes before her. She gets
some
sadistic pleasure from it I'm sure.
The rest of ArbCom isn't any better. Never do they actually talk to
anyone
involved in a case. Never do they let little things like facts get in
the
way of their witch hunts.
Ambi posts up a message that her say-so ought to be considered basis
enough
for banning Marmot, whose only crime was exposing the Adminship self-protection racket for what it was, and you all just sit there applauding.
I think you proved Marmot's case FOR him.
An arbitration request comes up and someone adds an extra name to it,
and
all of a sudden the original name on the arbitration request isn't even MENTIONED in the final verdict and an innocent user who (and I checked
the
log to be sure) has not used a single naughty word is banned.
Yoder gets caught in an infinite ban loop by an Admin who was involved
in
his case, and you idiots spend your time jerking off saying "well you shouldn't have crossed an admin" and calling him names rather than
paying
attention to what was going on. And you're STILL DOING IT.
And then there's what you did a couple days ago to Kurita77. A new user comes in, reads the tutorials, makes edits, and you ban him for the
crime of
knowing too much? I was watching that. Poor kid didn't do anything wrong
but
you spent your time harassing him, one of you sends him crank emails,
and
before you know it we have a user screaming profanities.
Not his fault. YOUR fault.
There's a reason I post these sentiments anonymously. It's because you power-mad cretins would like nothing more than to get ahold of anyone
who
dares to speak the truth about you around here. You'd ban my Wikipedia account just out of spite if you knew who I was. And I know you WAY too
well
for you to claim otherwise, JT.
Come on. Prove me wrong. Show some sense. Show for even ONE SECOND that
you
actually respect the policies and procedures of Wikipedia.
Biting the newbies, attacking anyone who's not part of your inner circle jerk, and insulting new users once you've bitten them isn't doing you
any
favors.
A. Nony Mouse.
and your a sockpuppet but that's beyond the point, I would be
interested in
seeing an iota of proof of any of these accusations, that would support your case, and the case of the longwinded Nathan J. Yoder much better
than
these unceasing tireless rants.
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New members of the list now start moderated. This is a major PITA for your power-crazed fascist list admins (to be addressed henceforth as Dear Leader), but that's the problem with persistent trolling.
- d.
A. Nony Mouse stated for the record:
Oh give me a fucking break and stop lying.
Can we make mailing list subscriptions by approval only when they come from free sites like hotmail? That would hinder some of these whiney children....
Sean Barrett (sean@epoptic.org) [050703 02:01]:
A. Nony Mouse stated for the record:
Oh give me a fucking break and stop lying.
Can we make mailing list subscriptions by approval only when they come from free sites like hotmail? That would hinder some of these whiney children....
Anyone who wants a gmail account, just email me (dgerard@gmail.com). I have a zillion invites, like everyone does.
- d.
On 7/3/05, A. Nony Mouse temoforcomments4@hotmail.com wrote:
Oh give me a fucking break and stop lying.
"If you construct your messages with meaning and civility, they will be readily accepted onto the mailing list, regardless of what you are arguing. This moderation is to maintain respectful conversation on the mailing list, not to censor your views."
A-N-M should learn the difference between speaking the truth and making abusive comments. I personally was offended by his (I presume it's a he) description of an ArbComm member in physical terms (among other equally uncilvil terms scattered throughout). For one thing, it's no business of anyone here what an editor looks like. We might construct mental images to go along with the names, and some of us (eg SlimVirgin) might even co-operate in this charade, but WP is pretty much a construct of thoughtstuff alone, and it's the product of our minds that is important.
Ambi might be many things, but a fool she most certainly is not.
As to the rest of the diatribe, its good points (and there are a few) are obscured by the abuse.