The WMF keeps data on an informed group of people, those who edit on WMF sites, and for a fixed period of time, (apart of course from the public listing of IP addresses).
If the NSA was only keeping data for as long as the WMF and only keeping data on people who post on the NSA site then the comparison would be more meaningful. I'm not actually suggesting that the NSA match the WMF for privacy, but then I doubt that the WMF would try importing the sort of data on everyone that the NSA tries to hoover up.
Regards
Jonathan Cardy
On 29 Mar 2015, at 14:18, Brian J Mingus brian.mingus@colorado.edu wrote:
Do you see the irony here?
The NSA needs to keep harvesting metadata in order to stop terrorism.
The WMF needs to keep harvesting metadata in order to stop vandalism.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
.....at which point it can no longer be used for checkuser or for rangeblocks. I really don't see the hypocricy there. Are we:
- Taking user data;
- Storing it and not saying for how long;
- Not telling the user we're taking it in the first place, and;
- Not tellning anyone what we're using it for?
If "yes" to all of the above, the NSA is broadly analogous. If no...a better analogy is needed.
On 28 March 2015 at 11:44, Brian J Mingus brian.mingus@colorado.edu wrote:
I think now that we are suing the NSA that it's deeply hypocritical to be surveilling users. A quick fix: stuff the ip field with random numbers.
On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 8:38 AM, James Alexander <
jalexander@wikimedia.org>
wrote:
The idea of the IP being more private in the history/ public logs (for example a unique hash so that you know it's "an IP" but not where/what
IP"
) is one that I know has been discussed and is desired by a good number within the foundation including within legal. I'll try to look for the phabricator task about it tomorrow. I think that's something that is
likely
to happen, it isn't easy though and requires a fair number of resources
to
be pointed at it to get it done so it's a question of priorities and convincing those who decide those things that it should be higher. I believe it's something, privacy wise, that legal would really like.
I think it is unlikely in the short to medium term, however, to get rid
of
the IPs in the backend (in server logs and in the checkuser system for example) because the replacements just aren't there. I've spent a good amount of time thinking of a way to make the checkuser system as usable
as
necessary without revealing IPs for example (including a consultant who looked a lot but didn't really come up with anything we didn't know already). I think it's doable, but it would be a very difficult and long design process and I think it's unlikely in the near future.
James Alexander Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 10:17 PM, Kyanos someanon126@gmail.com wrote:
I don't believe a different license is needed. CC licenses can be used
for
anonymous works: The author is not given and does not have to be
credited,
but everything else (attribution of the work and share-alike) would
stay
the same. So a change in the terms of use to the effect of,
"Unregistered
edits are considered to have no named author," would be sufficient.
Kyanos
On 03/27/2015 06:41 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote:
Perhaps we should move to a different licensing model for future IP edits. CC0 for IP edits would be a more sensible license for edits by
an IP
where in many cases no-one could attribute the edit to the individual
who
made it. If people don't want to release their edits as CC0 they can
always
create an account.
Regards
Jonathan Cardy
On 27 Mar 2015, at 10:28, Elias Friedman elipongo@gmail.com
wrote:
> > It's actually required so as to provide attribution as per the
Creative
> Commons and other licenses we operate under. > > Sent from my Droid 4 > Elias Friedman A.S., CCEMT-P > אליהו מתתיהו בן צבי > elipongo@gmail.com > "יְהִי אוֹר"
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