--- Daniel Ehrenberg <littledanehren(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
--- Abe Sokolov <abesokolov(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
Those favoring a ban on RK are way off if they
think
that the outcome is
going to be NPOV (or maybe they don't care - maybe
their reasons are solely
personal and ideological). I can understand that -
I'd much rather work with
the more reasonable Sv (whose worldview is by and
large is far closer to
mine than RK's is)- but that's not in Wikipedia's
interests as a whole.
So you don't agree that we should ban trolls? Maybe
I'm misusing the term, but I though we said that
trolls can be banned (but with discussion).
RK's banning wasn't just for trolling either. He
vandalized four userpages, threatening to ban Erik
(even though he's not, nor has ever been, a sysop).
I think this is a good point, Dan and I was under the
impression that Abe (with his RK=Stevertigo
comparison) and Jimbo ( with his "double edged sword"
comment) were alluding to me being a troll, and me
paying a price somehow for RK's blowup. Fortunately I
took Jimbo's advice from a year ago, and decided to
just shut up. "RK" self-destructed like a monster
villain at the end of a Troma movie, and all that's
left now is 'Robert.'
In my haste, I may have skipped over Abe's compliment
-- Thank you Abe-- (I note that RK told Bcorr that I
and Martin were "highly intelligent and literate"...
"anti-Semites." Which in my view is a contradiction,
as anti-Semitism is a product of ignorace and bias.)
But It doesnt change my mind, that attempts to create
content should be engineered by an artificial
WikiDarwinism or other imposings are foolish, and
lacking in [[m:Wikifaith]].
Reasons: 1-- You cant reasonably set the NPOV
terms--see below. 2. You cant quantify people to mere
political positions ( the 'finite identity complex'
was RK's bug ) 3. Its disingenuous to claim that the
conflict is a battle of equal but opposing views. It
is not-- It's a moral battle between objective
Moralists against foolish and closed-minded people on
both sides who seek to perpetuate the violence by
emphasizing the divisions of ethnicity, religion, and
nationalism over inclusiveness of a Humanist POV. Is a
neutral ( or humanist ) POV to be considered just
another "POV"?
Respectfully,
~S~
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