--- Daniel Ehrenberg littledanehren@yahoo.com wrote:
--- Abe Sokolov abesokolov@hotmail.com wrote:
Those favoring a ban on RK are way off if they
think
that the outcome is going to be NPOV (or maybe they don't care - maybe their reasons are solely personal and ideological). I can understand that - I'd much rather work with the more reasonable Sv (whose worldview is by and large is far closer to mine than RK's is)- but that's not in Wikipedia's interests as a whole.
So you don't agree that we should ban trolls? Maybe I'm misusing the term, but I though we said that trolls can be banned (but with discussion).
RK's banning wasn't just for trolling either. He vandalized four userpages, threatening to ban Erik (even though he's not, nor has ever been, a sysop).
I think this is a good point, Dan and I was under the impression that Abe (with his RK=Stevertigo comparison) and Jimbo ( with his "double edged sword" comment) were alluding to me being a troll, and me paying a price somehow for RK's blowup. Fortunately I took Jimbo's advice from a year ago, and decided to just shut up. "RK" self-destructed like a monster villain at the end of a Troma movie, and all that's left now is 'Robert.'
In my haste, I may have skipped over Abe's compliment -- Thank you Abe-- (I note that RK told Bcorr that I and Martin were "highly intelligent and literate"... "anti-Semites." Which in my view is a contradiction, as anti-Semitism is a product of ignorace and bias.) But It doesnt change my mind, that attempts to create content should be engineered by an artificial WikiDarwinism or other imposings are foolish, and lacking in [[m:Wikifaith]].
Reasons: 1-- You cant reasonably set the NPOV terms--see below. 2. You cant quantify people to mere political positions ( the 'finite identity complex' was RK's bug ) 3. Its disingenuous to claim that the conflict is a battle of equal but opposing views. It is not-- It's a moral battle between objective Moralists against foolish and closed-minded people on both sides who seek to perpetuate the violence by emphasizing the divisions of ethnicity, religion, and nationalism over inclusiveness of a Humanist POV. Is a neutral ( or humanist ) POV to be considered just another "POV"?
Respectfully, ~S~
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