Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
Cheney Shill wrote: >I'm not, nor have I ever argued, that consensus should bypass policy. I'm simply repeating the claim made by Fastfission and the majority of admins and users I've had contact with while editing that consensus is more important than policy. Fastfission seemed to be paraphrasing the beginning of the consensus guideline that says "Wikipedia works by building consensus." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus I'm not sure when that was put in or if it was snuck in at some point, but given what the rest of the guideline states, not to mention policies, it's definitely taken out of context. Maybe the fix is simply removing that sentence. This view seems so prevalent, however, it probably wouldn't be taken seriously unless Jimmy himself emailed every admin with an attached photo of a clue bat. > >Anyway, I'm open to suggestions on how to solve it.~~~~Pro-Lick > In other words you would gut the policy by removing its most important feature. Consensus guides the _proper application_ of policies, or more importantly principles. While principles should remain fairly stable, policies should be more adaptable.
In actual words, consensus is a guideline, not policy. The importance of the sentence is your opinion. It actually contradicts the rest the guideline itself, which means that the guideline should be truncated to that one sentence only or that sentence needs to go.~~~~Pro-Lick
"It is assumed that editors working toward consensus are pursuing a consensus that is consistent with Wikipedia's basic policies and principles - especially NPOV." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus#Consensus_vs._other_policie...
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