Ray Saintonge <saintonge(a)telus.net> wrote:
Cheney Shill wrote:
I'm not, nor have I ever argued, that consensus
should bypass policy. I'm simply repeating the claim made by Fastfission and the
majority of admins and users I've had contact with while editing that consensus is
more important than policy. Fastfission seemed to be paraphrasing the beginning of the
consensus guideline that says "Wikipedia works by building consensus."
I'm not sure when that was put in or
if it was snuck in at some point, but given what the rest of the guideline states, not to
mention policies, it's definitely taken out of context. Maybe the fix is simply
removing that sentence. This view seems so prevalent, however, it probably wouldn't be
taken seriously unless Jimmy himself emailed every admin with an attached photo of a clue
Anyway, I'm open to suggestions on how to solve it.~~~~Pro-Lick
In other words you would gut the policy by removing its most important
feature. Consensus guides the _proper application_ of policies, or more
importantly principles. While principles should remain fairly stable,
policies should be more adaptable.
In actual words, consensus is a guideline, not policy. The importance of the sentence is
your opinion. It actually contradicts the rest the guideline itself, which means that the
guideline should be truncated to that one sentence only or that sentence needs to
"It is assumed that editors working toward consensus are pursuing a consensus that is
consistent with Wikipedia's basic policies and principles - especially NPOV."
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