I am sure Jimbo did not just shoot from the hip, and anybody trying to sort out what is happening would still need "to go through the edits". But what isn't needed is the whole quasi-legalistic infrastructure that the arbcom has evolved with "cases", "petitioners", "respondents", "recusals", "votes to accept or deny cases", "injunctions", "evidence", etc, etc, It is silly.
I have no idea of the AC history, but somewhere back when the arbcom was getting rolling it took a wrong turn and now we have this tremendously heavy process. The basic need is simply to be able to get an experienced and level-headed Wikipedian who is respected and trusted by the community involved in various situations who can (1) warn people that they are out of line and try to nudge them towards correcting their behaviour; and/or (2) impose a sanction if the misbehaviour continues, with the easily-obtained backing of a committee that represents the community consensus,
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:14:08 -0700, Fred Bauder fredbaud@ctelco.net wrote:
Jimbo did spend a lot of time going through the edits so he could figure out what is going on. That is what takes the time. And discussing what is really the right thing to do.
Fred
From: Brian M brian1954@gmail.com Reply-To: Brian M brian1954@gmail.com, English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:45:33 -0500 To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] ArbCom - too attached to 'equal treatment'?
The Arbitrators should become "moderators". When a moderator becomes aware of an issue, he should try to resolve it by communicating with the party or parties concerned. If he cannot, he should simply go to the other moderators and say (in effect): "The facts are such and such. Here is what I have tried to resolve it; but it hasn't worked. I propose that we impose such-and-such sanction. The other moderators should then just vote over the course of a few days, and the decision should be implemented. There is no need for the deliberation to be formal, long, or even public. Decisions should just be announced on the Administrator noticeboard, which is also where people might go to get the Moderators attention for problems. There would probably need to be some system so that several Moderators didn't work the same problems and get in each other's way. The process should be very fast with a minimum of nonsense. The AC replaces Jimmy and I am sure that Jimmy didn't go through all of this laughable legaiistic claptrap when he was making his decisions. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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