John Vandenberg wrote:
On 7/9/07, George Herbert
On 7/8/07, Guy Chapman aka JzG
On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:02:28 -0600, "C.J.
The current status quo evolved from deletionists
going on rampages and
indiscriminately purging school articles.
And there was I thinking it resulted from militant inclusionists
stating as an article of faith that "all schools are inherently
notable" and refusing to accept any compromise whatsoever. Shows what
As one of the inclusionists willing to compromise on this issue, I
object to that. There were plenty enough people in the middle for a
compromise to work. The rhetoric from the extremist-seeming
deletionists sunk the various compromise attempts time and time again.
We'd have long-had a standard that if you can't write a good article,
you merge it into a city/town/school district article by now if you
all hadn't polarized it so much. That compromise came under far more
attack from the deletionists than the inclusionists.
And if that was accepted, there would be no need for an Afd for any
school, yet every day we see them being nominated, deleted without
consensus, and often without redirects being put in place.
Often what is meant by people saying "all schools are notable" is that
schools are inherently a topic worth mentioning in an encyclopedia.
When that opinion placed on an Afd, closing admins discard it time and
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As one of the deletionists perfectly fine with merging, I agree there
were reasonable people (and unreasonable people) on both sides. I would
hope an admin closing a deletion discussion would disregard any bald
assertion that the person making it didn't bother to support, that's
basically a bare vote, and I would also hope they would disregard any
"All (insert class of something here) are notable." (I would similarly
hope they would disregard any assertion such as "No (insert class of
something here) are ever notable." The purpose of an AfD is to discuss
whether -this- subject, -this- time, should be retained.
I think the reason you saw so many going to AfD rather than being merged
was because of those who would dig in their heels and revert the merge
with "Revert, all schools are notable" edit summaries (and those were
when they felt like being civil...). Sure, they probably should be
mentioned, but nothing wrong with doing that in a combined list by
school district rather than 100 permastubs. It came to a point where to
get it gone and make it stick, you had to go to AfD.