james-
This user had been complained to by a number of people
who told him about
NPOV.
Sure, but he also had suppporters. Michael Becker wrote:
"Why don't you ask the author for their source instead of acting stupid
and emotional and making assumptions?"
..
"Nostrum's most recent edits have been NPOV. They are statement of facts.
All you and Efghi did was remove information that had links to back it up
(on any other article those links would not be needed!)."
Mkmconn wrote:
"It may also have been written by a web-savvy child, trying to make sense
of things; in which case, milder instruction might be effective."
Voiceofreason wrote:
"Am heartened by Nostrum's attempt at NPOV and cooperation, which should
be commended."
This was all before 172 protected the page. Several people were quite
obviously willing to work with Nostrum.
1. He used the word 'homosexual' over a piece
he wrote on paedophiles.
Indeed, but the word referred to "abuses", not to people. It is certainly
possible, albeit ambiguous, to refer to pederastic abuses as homosexual in
nature. Furthermore, he corrected this rather quickly instead of reverting
to it in a real edit war.
He never once mentioned homosexuals. But he
categorised those doing the
abuse in catholicism as being homosexuals.
That is an interpretation based on a single headline.
In the population most paedophiles are
usually heterosexual, the parents or relatives of the child being abused.
Pedophilia is defined by the DSM a "over a period of at least 6 months,
recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors
involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally
age 13 years or younger)." Pedophiles fantasize exclusively about
children, they justify their "love" of children by saying that the
children want to be with them, and believe that what they do is best for
the kids. Relationships between pedophiles and children often last several
years. Pedophiles typically see themselves as "saviors" and educators of
children. Pedo-websites include:
http://www.nambla1.de
http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/
http://www.fpc.net/sites/jay_h/
http://www.fpc.net/sites/rvsh/
http://philia.ws/dd/
And of course the huge pedo/pederasm website directory
boylinks.net.
If you check out websites like
boylinks.net, you will find an obsession
with prepubescent boys, linking to TV movies, gay youth websites, erotic
fiction (not as problematic as real child pornography), etc. They post
long manifestos and diatribes and cite what they believe to be scientific
studies in support of their point of view that boys want to have sex with
them. The primary researchers of the pedophile movement, such as
Brongersma or Bernard, all cite statistics of a ca. 90/10 percent split
between "boylovers" and "girllovers", usually gathered by interviewing
people who identified themselves as pedophiles.
What you are referring to are not pedophiles, but *sexual abusers*. Not
every pedophile is a sexual abuser, and not every sexual abuser is a
pedophile. Your above definition is the mass media definition of pedohpile
as published by the tabloids, but it has nothing to do with reality. It is
correct that sexual abuse happens predominantly in families by parents or
relatives (usually not the parents, because the biological incest taboo
prevents this). Pedophiles are, however, defined by their recurrent and
long-lasting sexual preference for children, much as homosexuals are
characterized by their preference for other men, and heterosexuals by
their preference for women.
The vast majority of priest paedophile cases I have
studied
relate to individual paedophiles abusing /both/ sexes,
First, we don't even know how many of these priests were actual
pedophiles, and how many used sexual abuse of children as compensation for
lack of a relationship with an adult man or woman (pedophiles don't *want*
that type of relationship -- they only want to be with children, and can
often not be sexually aroused in any other setting).
Second, many of the most high profile cases involved exclusively boys and
not girls, e.g.:
Abused altar boys sue Church for millions
The Catholic Church in the United States has been ordered to pay $120
million in damages to 10 former altar boys, and the parents of another,
who were sexually assaulted by a priest. Father Rudolph Kos abused boys
over an eleven year period. When they complained, the church covered it
up. Kos allegedly abused the boys on hundreds of occasions at three
different churches in Dallas.
..
17 more allege abuse by Geoghan, file suit
Boston Globe/October 4, 2002
By Michael Rezendes
Sixteen men and a teenage boy filed new lawsuits yesterday against
convicted pedophile John J. Geoghan and a roster of church officials who
supervised the former priest, signaling that the Boston Archdiocese may be
defending sexual abuse claims against Geoghan for years to come.
...
With yesterday's civil filings, the 67-year-old Geoghan has been accused
of sexually molesting children, mostly boys, at each of the six parishes
where he was formally assigned during his 36 years as an active priest.
Those parishes are located in Saugus, Concord, Hingham, and Weston, and in
the Boston neighborhoods of Forest Hills and Dorchester.
Priest says he, too, molested boys
By Sacha Pfeiffer and Steve Kurkjian, Globe Staff, 1/26/2002
...
And last night, the Rev. Ronald H. Paquin acknowledged to a Globe reporter
that he had molested boys in both communities until 1989. In the soft-
spoken voice of a man broken by events, he said he himself was raped by a
Catholic priest when he was growing up in Salem.
...
Lawsuit accuses transferred priest of molestation
He was convicted of sexual misconduct in
By Associated Press: Robert Jablon
LOS ANGELES -- A Milwaukee priest convicted of sexual misconduct with a
boy in 1973 was shipped to Orange County, where he molested an 8-year-old,
according to a lawsuit disclosed Tuesday.
...
Widera was relieved of his duties in 1985 amid allegations that he had
sexually abused boys, Schinderle said.
Priest to go on trial in sex-abuse case
Clark was convicted in 1988 of molesting 2 boys in Bullitt By ANDREW
WOLFSON
A Bullitt Circuit Court jury will be asked in a trial scheduled to begin
tomorrow to consider whether the Rev. Daniel C. Clark, a Roman Catholic
priest who was convicted in 1988 of sexually abusing two boys, molested
two boys between 1998 and May 2002.
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And so on, and so forth. Of course there were priests who abused girls,
but I would be surprised if the statistics did not show a clear preference
for boys, which would very much be supported by everything we know about
pedophiles.
So it is everyone /else's/ fault this user made
comments such as saying that
maybe catholics want their children raped, is it? /He/ is responsible for
his own actions. No-one else is.
Of course he is. Looking at cause and effect is, however, often more
useful than trying to find someone to blame.
Considering your own behaviour of changing dates to
suit things the way you
wanted, and then trying to interpret a vote on the matter in a way that
suited you,
Unlike you, I changed dates in accordance with our existing MoS
recommendations, and did not try to interpret a vote on the matter in a
"way that suited me." In fact, the only reason that I did not set up a
replacement vote for the ill conceived original one (which, however, very
much supported my case as it stood) is that Tim Starling came up with a
working dynamic date converter, which is currently runing on
test.wikipedia.org.
Regards,
Erik