Independant from what? It's certainly true I have a
scholarly/academic bias, but this is why we use "reliable sources".
"Alleged threats of the Turkish government"? I've no idea what this
refers to. Something like what
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hrant_Dink this guy went through? If
you're interested in the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of
Armenia, there's already an article on it - I suppose that the
genocide spawned this is probably worth mentioning, but the article's
not topshape (a common problem in articles plagued by POV warriors).
Of course, ASALA is linked to in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-Armenian_Genocide_timeline which may
well be a more appropriate place to discuss it. Not surprisingly
what's probably the second most studied genocide in history has a lot
of daughter articles.
We're not talking about passing judgement on history. We're talking
about accurately reporting the facts as they're currently understood
by the experts on the subject. The holocaust gets mentioned because
it's the closest historical parallel - a state organised genocide with
near universal recognition as such.
Unless by "independant review" you mean "review by people who're
uninformed on the subject" independant review will come to the same
conclusion. The number of people pushing the fringe position is
small, and the literature on the subject is unambigious.
In any event, although it's clear that White Cat's opinion is already
chisel'd in stone, I'd urge any spectators to review the source
material before forming any conclusions.
Cheers
WilyD
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:03 PM, White Cat
<wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
It isn't unheard of for people to completely
disregard the views of the
other side on controversial topics which seems to be what is happening
here...
I don't know about the alleged threats of the Turkish Government... If such
exists I am sure it can be easily sourced - would make a fine article.
What I do know about is attacks by ASALA which committed various acts of
assassinations and bombings throughout Europe, the US and Middle East. If
one side is going as far as bombing civilians and assassinating diplomats
and their families to get their case accepted, I am sure they would have
also engaged in misinformation. Of course ASALA is not mentioned once in the
article. Can we completely disregard ASALA activity as a minority opinion?
Wikipedia does not pass judgement on history. We write about what is sourced
not what is *right*. I see the constant revival of the holocaust as a sign
of Godwin's law at work.
Here I was talking about getting uninvolved people reviewing the topic...
Thank you for verifying such a need. Article is in serious need of
independent review.
- White Cat
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Wily D <wilydoppelganger(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Err, in the case the scholars of the subject made
a collective
statement that it was a genocide, rather than individually. You can
read their statement
http://www.genocidewatch.org/TurkishPMIAGSOpenLetterreArmenia6-13-05.htm
here if you're so inclined.
But I've done some research myself, specifically since I got involved
in the article by sourcing various claims (which is really my editing
strength), and it's not particularly contraversial academically - I'll
refer this statement by historians Torben Jorgensen and Matthias
Bjornlund
When it comes to the historical reality of the Armenian genocide,
there is no "Armenian" or "Turkish" side of the "question,"
any more
than there is a "Jewish" or a "German" side of the historical
reality
of the Holocaust: There is a scientific side, and an unscientific side
acknowledgment or denial. In the case of the denial of the Armenian
genocide, it is even founded on a massive effort of falsification,
distortion, cleansing of archives, and direct threats initiated or
supported by the Turkish state, making any "dialogue" with Turkish
deniers highly problematic."
Feel free to research the matter yourself, more constructive comments
can be made by someone who's well informed than someone who's
ill-informed.
Cheers
WilyD
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