Um James, thats an awful long email, if you know what
I mean.
Respectfully, (you Tory bastard ;)
-S-
--- james duffy <jtdirl(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
At 06:08 PM 8/5/2003, you wrote:
>On a separate topic: I am uncomfortable with the
way that
>Jtdirl and others slander me as a racist. For
example,
>Jtdirl again stated that Zionists are racists.
He
does this
>knowing that I a Zionist, therefore the clear
implication
>is that I am racist bigot whose words should
be
ignored.
>
>Such angry and false speech about Zionists (which
includes
>tens of millions of Jews and Christians) is
not
appropriate
>here. Would we accept it if people said that
Irish
>nationalism is racist? That feminism is
FemiNazism? That
>black progressivism is really white-hating
communism? I
>doubt that most Wikipedias would stand for
this.
But when
>people here make these generalized and
incorrect
statements
>about Zionists, no one says a word.
>
>You and I don't speak this way about people of
other
>groups; I propose that this standard should be
true for all
>of us here. I hope that I am not perceived as
being
unreasonable.
Robert (RK)
Dante Alighieri replied:
I would imagine that it doesn't help your
cause
when you falsely attribute
comments to the improper party. jtdirl didn't
say
that Zionists were
racists, PL did. jtdirl mentioned it as an example
of why PL should be
banned. Not that I expect logic and facts to get
in
the way of your agenda,
but I figured I at least ought to point out one of
the most egregious of
your mischaracterizations.
Thank you, Dante, for pointing out that. Trust RK to
yet again read into
something not about him a personalised attack on
himself. In all the time I
have been on wiki I have read many (endless, oh god,
endless!) epistles from
RK talking about all the horrendous personalised
attacks on himself. And
then I'd go looking for one of these attacks to read
to see how could anyone
say anything so horrid to him and find some totally
innocent or mildly
critical comment which RK had built up into one of
the biggest attacks ever
issued on wikipedia, an assault on every fiber of
his being. Even more
comically he now actually imagines that I am so
preoccupied with him that I
either care that he is a zionist or even remember
that he is one. Even
though I have heard it probably 4.8 million times
from him since I first had
the 'pleasure' of encountering his editing syle I
actually forgotten that he
is a zionist, so even if some miracle, I was
bothered enough to want to
'offend' him, it would have been difficult to
deliberately do so using a
fact I am forgotten. (I wonder if I try enough can I
blank out not just RK's
zionism but RK from my consciousness?)
The curious thing is, it is not the first time he
has accused me of
deliberately insulting him by calling him a Zionist
and I've read him make
the same accusation of others. Does he recycle his
allegations or
something? Or is there this vast conspiracy of
people on wiki, all hovering
around waiting to make anti-zionist comments when he
is logged on to wiki,
millions of wiki users secretly watching a hidden
camera to wait for the
moment when RK decides to log on to wiki, then all
the world's (well the
wiki's anyway) anti-zionists, anti-semites,
anti-RKians, all rush to add in
special insults, just for RK, about RK.
For the record, RK
1. I do not spend everyone working hour thinking
about you, nor for that
matter do most people on wikl. You have told us ad
nausaum that you are a
Zionist but frankly we really couldn't be bothered
to remember.
2. From what I could see, most of the offensive
comments you have complained
about on wiki are your own imaginings. /You/ attach
frequently bizarre
meanings to them, take offence at your bizarre
attached meanings, and then
attack others for lauching attacks on you that are
in fact your own
fantasies, as in interpreting my reference to an
anti-semite vandal's
comments, which were intended to point out why this
user should be banned,
as an attack on you.
BTW just so we are clear, RK, that last paragraph
did not (a) call you a
vandal, (b) call you an antisemite, (c) did not call
for you to be banned,
(d) did not mention ''Zionism'' (which I had
forgotten again for a moment.
That you for reminding me about a fact that is of no
interest to me, least I
use the forgotten topic of no interest to me to
deliberately attack a user I
really don't think much about using something I have
forgotten anyway!)
Finally, an example of how RK's rampant paranoia is
catching. In a first
draft of the first paragraph, I accused RK in his
paranoia, of to use a
theatrical saying, 'hamming it up'. But then it
dawned on me that he might
(no, in RK's case, would) think I was attacking his
Jewish identity by
referring to religious dietary rules. So though
using a threatrical phrase
not thinking of food or religion (just a film
earlier last night about an
actor accused of hamming his performance), /I/ found
myself not thinking
about the nature of what I had written, but instead
about the paranoid
interpretation that RK, as usual, would construct
around it and so how to
avoid triggering offence, however accidentially, to
RK who seems to have an
almost masochistic desire to take offence. (BTW RK,
please don't interpret
the word 'masochistic' as meaning that I am in any
way commenting on any
sexual matter, I am not accusing you of any kinky
activities, much less
thinking of you engaging in any kinky activities of
a zionist or non-zionist
kind. Is that now clear, RK? Have you /finally/ got
the message? (Oh
please, dear God/Jehovah/Allah, Our Father, Our
Blessed Mother, anyone out
there, let RK get the message this time and stop
driving the rest of wiki
demented with his paranoia!) :-)
JT
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