Um James, thats an awful long email, if you know what I mean.
Respectfully, (you Tory bastard ;) -S-
--- james duffy jtdirl@hotmail.com wrote:
At 06:08 PM 8/5/2003, you wrote:
On a separate topic: I am uncomfortable with the
way that
Jtdirl and others slander me as a racist. For
example,
Jtdirl again stated that Zionists are racists. He
does this
knowing that I a Zionist, therefore the clear
implication
is that I am racist bigot whose words should be
ignored.
Such angry and false speech about Zionists (which
includes
tens of millions of Jews and Christians) is not
appropriate
here. Would we accept it if people said that Irish nationalism is racist? That feminism is
FemiNazism? That
black progressivism is really white-hating
communism? I
doubt that most Wikipedias would stand for this.
But when
people here make these generalized and incorrect
statements
about Zionists, no one says a word.
You and I don't speak this way about people of
other
groups; I propose that this standard should be
true for all
of us here. I hope that I am not perceived as
being
unreasonable.
Robert (RK)
Dante Alighieri replied:
I would imagine that it doesn't help your cause
when you falsely attribute
comments to the improper party. jtdirl didn't say
that Zionists were
racists, PL did. jtdirl mentioned it as an example
of why PL should be
banned. Not that I expect logic and facts to get in
the way of your agenda,
but I figured I at least ought to point out one of
the most egregious of
your mischaracterizations.
Thank you, Dante, for pointing out that. Trust RK to yet again read into something not about him a personalised attack on himself. In all the time I have been on wiki I have read many (endless, oh god, endless!) epistles from RK talking about all the horrendous personalised attacks on himself. And then I'd go looking for one of these attacks to read to see how could anyone say anything so horrid to him and find some totally innocent or mildly critical comment which RK had built up into one of the biggest attacks ever issued on wikipedia, an assault on every fiber of his being. Even more comically he now actually imagines that I am so preoccupied with him that I either care that he is a zionist or even remember that he is one. Even though I have heard it probably 4.8 million times from him since I first had the 'pleasure' of encountering his editing syle I actually forgotten that he is a zionist, so even if some miracle, I was bothered enough to want to 'offend' him, it would have been difficult to deliberately do so using a fact I am forgotten. (I wonder if I try enough can I blank out not just RK's zionism but RK from my consciousness?)
The curious thing is, it is not the first time he has accused me of deliberately insulting him by calling him a Zionist and I've read him make the same accusation of others. Does he recycle his allegations or something? Or is there this vast conspiracy of people on wiki, all hovering around waiting to make anti-zionist comments when he is logged on to wiki, millions of wiki users secretly watching a hidden camera to wait for the moment when RK decides to log on to wiki, then all the world's (well the wiki's anyway) anti-zionists, anti-semites, anti-RKians, all rush to add in special insults, just for RK, about RK.
For the record, RK
- I do not spend everyone working hour thinking
about you, nor for that matter do most people on wikl. You have told us ad nausaum that you are a Zionist but frankly we really couldn't be bothered to remember.
- From what I could see, most of the offensive
comments you have complained about on wiki are your own imaginings. /You/ attach frequently bizarre meanings to them, take offence at your bizarre attached meanings, and then attack others for lauching attacks on you that are in fact your own fantasies, as in interpreting my reference to an anti-semite vandal's comments, which were intended to point out why this user should be banned, as an attack on you.
BTW just so we are clear, RK, that last paragraph did not (a) call you a vandal, (b) call you an antisemite, (c) did not call for you to be banned, (d) did not mention ''Zionism'' (which I had forgotten again for a moment. That you for reminding me about a fact that is of no interest to me, least I use the forgotten topic of no interest to me to deliberately attack a user I really don't think much about using something I have forgotten anyway!)
Finally, an example of how RK's rampant paranoia is catching. In a first draft of the first paragraph, I accused RK in his paranoia, of to use a theatrical saying, 'hamming it up'. But then it dawned on me that he might (no, in RK's case, would) think I was attacking his Jewish identity by referring to religious dietary rules. So though using a threatrical phrase not thinking of food or religion (just a film earlier last night about an actor accused of hamming his performance), /I/ found myself not thinking about the nature of what I had written, but instead about the paranoid interpretation that RK, as usual, would construct around it and so how to avoid triggering offence, however accidentially, to RK who seems to have an almost masochistic desire to take offence. (BTW RK, please don't interpret the word 'masochistic' as meaning that I am in any way commenting on any sexual matter, I am not accusing you of any kinky activities, much less thinking of you engaging in any kinky activities of a zionist or non-zionist kind. Is that now clear, RK? Have you /finally/ got the message? (Oh please, dear God/Jehovah/Allah, Our Father, Our Blessed Mother, anyone out there, let RK get the message this time and stop driving the rest of wiki demented with his paranoia!) :-)
JT
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