--- Erik Moeller <erik_moeller(a)gmx.de> wrote:
Anthere-
However, "deleting" on sight is another
matter.
Would
you (that is a plural you, not you specifically
Tannin) consider please, blanking his articles
instead
of deleting them. Then, either list the blanked
articles on the vfd in case anyone would wish to
work
on them, or let them blank (which would make
them
appear next time the "short pages" is working
again).
Blanking leaves lots of useless pages that show up
in title searches and
have to be manually removed by going through the
short article list,
which, to top things, is currently deactivated for
performance reasons.
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It appears the performance are much better now. At
least, there are much better for the international
wikis, which I think have not been moved.
Tannin presented "Michael case" as an experiment of
soft banning.
IP banning and deletion on sight are hard ban tools.
RainClouding, instant reversion and blanking are soft
ban tools. I think an experiment has to be done
completely or not done at all.
There's absolutely no point in doing this if the
articles are going to be
deleted anyway.
The fact the pages are going to be deleted anyway is
"your" opinion. Not everybody agree with that opinion
(even if it is very likely 90% of articles will be
deleted in the end).
More respectful? Towards whom?
Michael, who has insulted
virtually every Wikipedian who has tried to talk to
him?
You know quite well the "toward whom" is not only
adressed to Michael.
Remember, the reason we may decide not to hard-ban
Michael is purely
technical.
I don't think that was the only reason. At least, not
for everybody.
I for one find it absolutely acceptable
to delete new Michael-
pages on sight and encourage sysops to do so -- but
only if it is certain
that he is really the author.
only if it is certain, right.
And only if the edits are bad, right.
It is alright to worry a little about abuse of sysop
powers, I do so
myself.
I don't think you have to worry much about errors Erik
But I think this has been going too far in
the last few days. The
opposite situation to arbitrary deletions is equally
undesirable:
Wikipedia turning into a mess of useless pages which
nobody cleans up.
Many sysops are spending a lot of time doing
annoying housekeeping tasks
-- that's OK, that's what they expected. But a
little more trust would be
helpful. Otherwise I think you are contributing to
the creation of the
rift between sysops and non-sysops that you are so
worried about.
Regards,
Erik
I am not worried of the rift. I am worried of errors.
I also think you are on the verge of saying I will be
responsible of subsequent errors.
This is not nice.
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