--- Erik Moeller erik_moeller@gmx.de wrote:
Anthere-
However, "deleting" on sight is another matter.
Would
you (that is a plural you, not you specifically Tannin) consider please, blanking his articles
instead
of deleting them. Then, either list the blanked articles on the vfd in case anyone would wish to
work
on them, or let them blank (which would make them appear next time the "short pages" is working
again).
Blanking leaves lots of useless pages that show up in title searches and have to be manually removed by going through the short article list, which, to top things, is currently deactivated for performance reasons.
` It appears the performance are much better now. At least, there are much better for the international wikis, which I think have not been moved.
Tannin presented "Michael case" as an experiment of soft banning. IP banning and deletion on sight are hard ban tools. RainClouding, instant reversion and blanking are soft ban tools. I think an experiment has to be done completely or not done at all.
There's absolutely no point in doing this if the articles are going to be deleted anyway.
The fact the pages are going to be deleted anyway is "your" opinion. Not everybody agree with that opinion (even if it is very likely 90% of articles will be deleted in the end).
More respectful? Towards whom? Michael, who has insulted virtually every Wikipedian who has tried to talk to him?
You know quite well the "toward whom" is not only adressed to Michael.
Remember, the reason we may decide not to hard-ban Michael is purely technical.
I don't think that was the only reason. At least, not for everybody.
I for one find it absolutely acceptable
to delete new Michael- pages on sight and encourage sysops to do so -- but only if it is certain that he is really the author.
only if it is certain, right. And only if the edits are bad, right.
It is alright to worry a little about abuse of sysop powers, I do so myself.
I don't think you have to worry much about errors Erik
But I think this has been going too far in
the last few days. The opposite situation to arbitrary deletions is equally undesirable: Wikipedia turning into a mess of useless pages which nobody cleans up. Many sysops are spending a lot of time doing annoying housekeeping tasks -- that's OK, that's what they expected. But a little more trust would be helpful. Otherwise I think you are contributing to the creation of the rift between sysops and non-sysops that you are so worried about.
Regards,
Erik
I am not worried of the rift. I am worried of errors. I also think you are on the verge of saying I will be responsible of subsequent errors.
This is not nice.
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