Korekt mi yf A'em rang -
Does'nt it seem like group discussions in general follow a nice pattern - of starting out with problems/assumptions/assumed problems/problematic assumptions - and then they finally boil down to their real essence after a couple of deiz?
The essence usually falls into the categories of - unfeasible/feasible - resonable/uneasonable - POV/NPOV - constitutional/unconstitutional (meaning the WP constitution ). Just sorting these basic things out, I think is hard sometimes - and its good to have a sorta way of explaining these fundamental problems in discussions that get in the way before any discussion takes place.
-S