You did delete citations, I linked the edits in which you did. And I also
linked the edit in which you replaced a perfectly fine source with your
link. The 3RR violation is because you keep adding the same link when
several people have asked you not to. In such cases, you should engage in
discussion, not revert back.
I've asked Jaiyg to comment on the copyvio thing.
Mgm
On 5/19/06, abu hamza <abuhamza1970(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
hi MacGyver. I wrote the section. Someone else added a request for
citations, and i provided them. I didn't delete any citiations,I deleted
the
citations an put the references in their place
and for the jews against zionism - there was no reason given why it is not
a
good source other than that it was "propoganda", which is subjective..
The
talmudic oaths are part of the talmud and the jews against zionism page
referenced just quotes the talmud. Surely this cannot be classified as
'propoganda'.
And if i broke the 3R rule by reverting 3 times and adding something
another
time, then fine. but surely this carries just a 24 hour ban, not
indefinate.
I appreciate that zionism is a 'hot topic', but that surely should mean
being as fair as possible to the contributors, not imposing an extremely
harsh ban for reasons with little or no substance.
Also Jayjg suggested i had broken copy right rules and used this as one of
the reasons. I cannot find any examples, perhaps you can have a look.
thanks saladin1970
From: "MacGyverMagic/Mgm"
<macgyvermagic(a)gmail.com>
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To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Unblock request
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:08:41 +0200
I only did a cursory glance, but what I've seen totally justifies a
block.
Edits like
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=5…
clearly problematic. You remove sources and add a
citation needed
template in its place or replace existing sources with links to a website
with obvious POV issues. And a whole section with a scholarly reference
turned into a disputed tag.
In
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=5…
you
also try to link to
http://zionism-realenemyofthejews.com
Multiple people have explained why you can't use this as a source and in
response you say they vandalise wikipedia when it's you who remove
sources
to get it in.
Your contributions show the following edits:
10:41, 18 May 2006
(
hist<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&action=histor…)
(diff<
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=5…
)
Zionism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism> (rv to previous page. the
references provide all the information given)
10:06, 18 May 2006
(
hist<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&action=histor…)
(diff<
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=5…
)
Zionism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism> (rv to previous page - the
three oaths are totally relevant -unless you can come up with a good
reason
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=5…
)
Zionism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism> (added three oaths
section,)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=5…
)
Zionism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism> (removed pov further
reading
and added a factual reference)
That's 4 reverts in about 15 hours, clearly a 3RR violation. All on the
same
username, your IP has nothing to do with that.
Mgm
On 5/19/06, abu hamza <abuhamza1970(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
my wiki name is saladin1970. I joined just 3 days but find myself
banned.
>
> i was banned by Jayjg . He cited the following reasons
>
> 1) 3RR rule
> 2) No useful edits
> 3) Copyright violoations
> 4) attacks on talk pages
>
> They all seem very serious. yet when we look into each of the reasons,
> they
> really have no substance.
>
> 1) I have two pc's one is shared at work - hence the same ip address
and
> editor
> the othe is my home pc. I only reverted 3 times, as did my collegue at
> work.
>
> 2) I have made many contributions, including a section on moors in the
> spanish inquisition, additions to the islam in china section,
background
> info on harold shipman and contributions to
alan harts page and
zionism
> page, and turkic.
>
> 3) There have been NO copyright violations. Every post was referenced
to
a
> website or to a book. All of whom allow references to as part of their
> copyright. So there was NO copy right violation
>
> 4) there were no personal attacks on talk pages. The worst that could
be
> said was that i called someone a
'zionist'.
>
> Clearly there is something more to this than the above, as these at
best
are
minor violations that would carry warnings.
however I contend that this blocking falls under the "not advised to
block
rule".
my posts in the zionism forum have illicited strong responses .
Including
the person that banned me jayjg. These posts
included
a) a section on the talmudic three oaths - which is the reason behind
orthodox jews who oppose political zionism. This was reverted many
times
> by
> jayjg amongst others
>
> also i added a further reading section book entitled "zionism the
enemy
of
> the jews by alan hart",
> who was a itv corrospondent during the 80's. His book is well
researched
> 'historical and political' of the
lead up to the creation of israel.
>
> Given that Jayjg was part of this debate, i can see no other reason
for
my
ban (as the reasons given are spurious) other
than to eliminate a user
who
has a different view of zionism.
for this reason i am asking a moderator to look at the material posted
by
me, and make a fair decisions as to whether i
should be banned
indefinately
thanks saladin
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