One side of the issue is aggressively mass removing articles without backing such an act with consensus of any kind. When that happens the other side does not even think of compromising. The opposing side pushes back with equal aggression. This kind of aggressive conflict between any two sides disrupts the entire site. This is what's happening. That is the outstanding problem at this point. It isn't the only outstanding problem but is the first one that needs to be addressed for us to work on a consensus everyone can agree on. Do we all agree thus far? Because neither one of you have said so. I apologize if I missed any remarks establishing this.
As for your other point... Just how do you think Google ranks their search results? Google's search results establish the "prime time" articles.
Consider "Beowulf"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Beowulf+site:en.wikipedia.org&b...
As you can see the historic article (Old English heroic epic poem) is #1. 2007 movie comes as #2. The computer clusters of NASA comes #3.
Mind that #1 and #2 are fiction related topics and #3 is a real world topic. In this case the fiction related work is more popular/notable than the real world topic.
Consider "Enterprise"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Enterprise+site:en.wik...
#1 and #3 is a fiction related.
The real world ships (OV-101 & CVN-65) called Enterprise come before the fictional ship (NCC-1701). CV-6 comes as the 20th hit.
Consider "Voyager"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Voyager+site:en.wikipe...
#1 is the fictional series and other 18 hits are not even fiction related. The fictional ship USS voyager comes up in the next page at #21.
Consider "Zero"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Zero+site:en.wikipedia...
#1 is 0 (number) in mathematics - a real world topic to say the least. #2 is A6M Zero, the Japanese fighter aircraft in WW2. #3 is the fictional character. #4 is a real world topic (chemistry). And the remaining topics are either disambiguation or real world related articles.
Of course when I do a search on "Naruto"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Naruto+site:en.wikiped...
I get 19 hits on fiction related topics. Even then the 20th is a real world topic!
So where exactly is the Google ranking inadequate or unfair? Mind that I made no effort to "hide" fiction related topics in the search urls I posted so far.
Had I searched for "Naruto -anime"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Naruto+-anime+site:en....
I get 18 real world topics. With the use of a few more words.
Consider "Naruto -anime -manga -episodes -user -Wikipedia:featured"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Naruto+-anime+-manga+-...http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Naruto+-anime+-manga+-episodes+-user+-
I can effectively remove fiction related hits on my search results. Or... I could use smarter search words to get what I am looking for.
Consider: "Naruto University"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Naruto+University+site...
All it takes is the use of one extra word to eliminate nearly all fiction related topics. Naruto is among our top 20 most visited articles each month. Even so that doesn't get in the way if you are smart about it.
So please tell me what exactly is the problem with fiction related articles as a whole?
- White Cat
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM, WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
You are not understanding White Cat what the person means by ranking.
That there would be a "prime time" Wikipedia, which any reader can find, and then a "sub-surface" Wikipedia for all the articles not deemed ready to go to prime time.
These sub-surface articles would not be googleable let's say, so reader wouldn't get side-tracked into thinking they are "acceptable" in the mainstream, but they would be present for people already in-world to read and edit.
It seems like a simple way to satisfy both sides of the issue here.
Will Johnson
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