On 12/5/06, niht-hræfn <nihthraefn(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 5, 2006, at 11:55, Bryan Derksen wrote:
What, are you saying I'm fat??
Despite the fact that you're joking, and despite the fact that I'm
not personally offended, that is a sexist remark. I find it
especially inappropriate to make jokes at women's expense in a thread
protesting the idea that women are treated in any way badly on this
list.
I didn't get his joke, so I can't say that you're wrong... but I
totally don't get the exchange here. What the #$@# does being obese
have to do with being female?
I really am shocked at the responses on this list.
I'd think that the
proper response would be, "I'm really sorry that you feel this way
and that we never noticed it before. Is there any way we can make
help make Wikipedia a more welcoming place for women?" and if the
women said, "You know, it'd really help to have an all-women mailing
list where we can talk about things without being ignored or
dismissed," I'd hope you'd say, "It's a shame it's come to
this, but
if that will help, let's give it a try."
You're making it out like the opposition to the sexist list was a
woman vs men thing. It's not. Yes, you have more men opposing.. but we
have more men in total.
Lets put it another way: We've had women get harassed from their
involvement on the wiki and their presence has attracted a number of
trolls who specifically get their jollies from harassing women. If
someone suggested that we should exclude women from editing the wiki,
should we "try it"?
What I really never expected was that the community as
it were would
belittle the concerns brought forward by the women and go so far as
to make fun of them.
You. Do. Not. Speak. For. All. Women.
If you honestly wish to fight sexism then you need to stop
perpetuating it yourself.