On 10/10/07, Marc Riddell
<michaeldavid86(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> on 10/9/07 11:49 PM, David Goodman at dgoodmanny(a)gmail.com wrote:
>> Marc, I now ask you whether,m having
made what I think to be a correct
>> diagnosis, you have from your experience any suggestions for
>> improvement beyond the hope that
>
>> "If a part of those core values
is respect for the individual, then, by
>> reaching out to those individuals we will be reinforcing both the individual
>> and those values. These groups are made up of individuals who want to be
>> seen and dealt with as such; and not as merely one expendable drop in a
>> massive sea."
>
>> Not that this is wrong--it is totally
right as far as it goes. But how
>> can we institutionally encourage this?
>
> David,
> In very short: for a start we could begin
by greatly improving how we talk
> to each other.
> There are very effective steps, and indeed
entire programs, that could be
> instituted in the Project that would, in time, profoundly improve the very
> culture of the Project - which is what we are really talking about here.
> I have concrete proposals for implementing
such programs. BUT, to lay them
> out here now would be a complete waste of time. BECAUSE, aside from you and
> a few others, most people on this List appear to believe that the culture of
> the Project is just fine as it is. To seriously discuss solutions to a
> problem, there must first be an agreement that such a problem exists.
> We keep talking about what Wikipedia is
& is not. As we look to the future
> we should also be asking what else it could be.
> Marc
>
>> On 10/9/07, K P <kpbotany(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 10/8/07, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> What does matter is the individual contributor's ability to interact
in a
>>>> constructive way with another contributor.
>>> ....
>>>
>>>> The
problems are not with the Community, but with the individual members
>>>> who
>>>> make up that community.
>>>
>>>>
Marc Riddell
>>>
>>> Geeze,
Marc, you just won't let go about personal responsibility, will you?
>>
>>> On the
other hand, when I act badly, I usually am the one to blame for
>>> it. But it just seems so simple, in a way.
>>
>>> KP
We can always create another mailing list, or a discussion project on
en.wikipedia or meta somewhere.
I am very open to this, George. In fact, one of my proposals would require
either a separate List or a "sandbox" type of thing in Wikipedia itself
where persons could learn and practice communication skills.
I agree that there are cultural issues, but my long experience with
internet culture makes me tend to think that there aren't real
"solutions" for them per se.
Then let's put our collective creativities together and find some solutions.
It could become just one of Wikipedia's legacies.
However, I am open to having my mind
changed on that point.