Can someone explain why giving access to deleted article content that is not actually illegal for us to distribute would be a bad thing? Mark
--- Anthony DiPierro anthonydipierro@hotmail.com wrote:
"allow non-sysops to view deleted pages".
You need to thin[k] about legal consequences if
you allow everyone to access
"deleted" copyright violations or illegal
information.
I presume only logged in users would be allowed to view these articles, not everyone. I don't see how the legal consequences of this are any different from the legal consequences of allowing admins to access the articles, or allowing everyone to access the copyright violations in the history.
Yes, there should be some type of real deletion, for articles or history entries which are illegal for us to distribute, but this is a separate issue. It should be done regardless of whether access to deleted articles is limited to admins, to all logged in users, or to admins and me.
allow certain IP addresses to access deleted
articles.
That's unfair to IP switchers, including but not
limited to people who access
WP from many computer networks (home/work/etc),
people who change ISP and
dynamic connections.
It's already "unfair" for these IP switchers, though. At least allowing some people to access these article would make it less unfair. I suppose this could be implemented with a username and password in addition, but I'd prefer to not have to log in, as this is just more overhead for my scripts.
[if] there's an objection to me personally
having access to deleted articles.
Not allowing access to information to a specific
person just because that
person's presence is perhaps undesired is
undemocratic.
If I were singled out, perhaps, but I was using myself as an example. If Wikipedia allowed me, personally, to access deleted articles (in addition to admins), they certainly wouldn't be in any more legal trouble than if they only allowed admins.
I thought there was some due process that
disallowed sysops from deleting
legitimate content via "speedy deletions".
There is considerable disagreement over whether or not small stubs may be speedily deleted under this process. This is in addition to the fact that there are a number of admins who regularly break the speedy deletion policy.
I would say that downloading the dumps just to
get some vfd articles consumes
too much bandwidth that other people would use for
reading and learning.
Well that's not the only reason I get the dumps, but yes, it's not the most efficient method.
I think MediaWiki keeps all deleted articles in
the archive database table but
it is readable only by sysops. Perhaps you could
ask for sysop privileges and
use them only for reading the deleted articles
I've actually already tried this. My request was overwhelmingly disapproved. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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