Can someone explain why giving access to deleted
article content that is not actually illegal for us to
distribute would be a bad thing?
Mark
--- Anthony DiPierro <anthonydipierro(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
"allow non-sysops to view deleted pages".
You need to thin[k] about legal consequences if
you allow everyone to
access
"deleted" copyright violations or
illegal
information.
I presume only logged in users would be allowed to
view these articles, not
everyone. I don't see how the legal consequences of
this are any different
from the legal consequences of allowing admins to
access the articles, or
allowing everyone to access the copyright violations
in the history.
Yes, there should be some type of real deletion, for
articles or history
entries which are illegal for us to distribute, but
this is a separate
issue. It should be done regardless of whether
access to deleted articles
is limited to admins, to all logged in users, or to
admins and me.
> allow certain IP addresses to access deleted
articles.
That's unfair to IP switchers, including but
not
limited to people who
access
WP from many computer networks (home/work/etc),
people who change ISP and
dynamic connections.
It's already "unfair" for these IP switchers,
though. At least allowing
some people to access these article would make it
less unfair. I suppose
this could be implemented with a username and
password in addition, but I'd
prefer to not have to log in, as this is just more
overhead for my scripts.
> [if] there's an objection to me
personally
having access to deleted
articles.
Not allowing access to information to a specific
person just because that
person's presence is perhaps undesired is
undemocratic.
If I were singled out, perhaps, but I was using
myself as an example. If
Wikipedia allowed me, personally, to access deleted
articles (in addition to
admins), they certainly wouldn't be in any more
legal trouble than if they
only allowed admins.
I thought there was some due process that
disallowed sysops from deleting
legitimate content via "speedy
deletions".
There is considerable disagreement over whether or
not small stubs may be
speedily deleted under this process. This is in
addition to the fact that
there are a number of admins who regularly break the
speedy deletion policy.
I would say that downloading the dumps just to
get some vfd articles
consumes
too much bandwidth that other people would use
for
reading and learning.
Well that's not the only reason I get the dumps, but
yes, it's not the most
efficient method.
I think MediaWiki keeps all deleted articles in
the archive database table
but
it is readable only by sysops. Perhaps you could
ask for sysop privileges
and
use them only for reading the deleted articles
I've actually already tried this. My request was
overwhelmingly
disapproved.
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