On 8/15/06, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/15/06, Mark Ryan <ultrablue(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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Surely the opposite can also be said of a
"keep" consensus AfD: most
of the voters plainly want the article to continue to exist as an
article, not as a redirect and not deleted.
I haven't looked at the articles in question, so perhaps I'm off the
mark in this case... But if people aren't willing to put some skin in
their participation then there isn't much cause for us to heed their
view. If the article is in terrible need of cleanup and none of the
people arguing to keep it are willing to do the *work*, then I don't
see a problem with someone else coming by and cleaning it up by
merging it. (And yes, sometimes the best merge adds nothing to the
merge target)...
In any case, redirecting it isn't ignoring the AfD... we consider
'merge and redirect' to be equal to 'keep' in an AfD. Perhaps doing
so is incorrect because we really should be discussing the existence
of an article at that name, but that is what is done today.
Exactly. And as to the other question, an AfD that is evenly-split between
redirect and delete could be closed as no consensus, but the proper course
of action would be to "default" the article to a redirect.
An AfD ultimately comes down to two results: delete, and don't delete. Don't
delete includes no consensus, redirect, merge, and anything that results in
the article history still being available to no-admins. An article with an
AfD result of "Don't delete" can go to another "don't delete"
through normal
editorial actions and doesn't require an AfD to dictate. In other words,
even an article with an AfD result of Keep can be merged or simply
redirected through normal editorial actions (ie, through consensus,
discussion, even common sense).