Ben McIlwain <cydeweys(a)gmail.com> wrote:
We cannot put up with these attempts at gaming our consensus-based
system. Consensus doesn't work when it just becomes a numbers game of
who can recruit the most votes. And trying to make a rational decision
about the merits of an article when a bunch of sheeple are coming in
mindlessly on both sides and voting without even considering the issues
is absurd. We need to deal with this problem. We need to modify our
policy so that it IS a blockable offense to vote-stack and game the
system.
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I've read both your and geni's responses. I'd agree if the solution were to
eliminate consensus from the system. As it stands, there are plenty of problems with or
without vote blocking and consensus:
*Anybody can vote stack easily enough outside Wiki (email, IRC, etc.). Blocking
doesn't fix that. In fact, they can still use the built in user email with compiling
AFD lists and userboxes.
*Contributors that only follow the article occasionally (less than once a week) need to be
informed. Blocking them and the notifier would be unfair. This applies to the ongoing
discussion regarding biographies, too. Should everyone that contributes to an article be
expected to follow it every day or even every week? If they don't, the AFD will be
closed in a week (maybe 1 in 1000 go much beyond a week).
*Sooner or later, groups are going to realize they can meet and decide the fate of an
article without even discussing it on Wikipedia. A politically active college group with
members at many colleges could easily AFD many articles. Short of Jimbo picking up a clue
bat, they could take over Wiki with an extended effort.
*With consensus, regardless of whether you block for stacking or not, you are turning the
content on Wiki into an original research project. Instead of verifiability/notability,
AFD uses a pole, violating 2 policies in favor of a guideline that's intended for
"working with others" not content.~~~~Pro-Lick
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